Treatygate

The stories so far

 

For a campaign designed to build over two years, the first week’s coverage of the fundraising phase has been pleasing.

Here are 20 print and TV stories I’m aware of, roughly in chronological order:

  1. Elocal.
  2. Callum Fredrics in Critic.
  3. Mentioned in despatches by Bryce Edwards in the Herald.
  4. David Farrar’s Kiwiblog.
  5. Laura McQuillan for TV3 online.
  6. Tini Molyneux on Te Karere.
  7. Kiwiblog again
  8. Rod Vaughan in NBR online (producing the most hits for a single story in the site’s three year history)
  9. Vaughan/NBR online again — this time an exclusive for subscribers only.
  10. Evan Hardin in the Southland Times.
  11. Vaughan Elder in the Otago Daily Times.
  12. Chris Trotter in the Dominion Post.
  13. Trotter in various other papers including the Taranaki Daily News.
  14. Trotter’s blog, Bowalley Road.
  15. Tahu Potiki in the Christchurch Press.
  16. Simon Dey in the Sunday Star-Times.
  17. Edwards in the Herald in despatches again.
  18. And again.
  19. With Julian Wilcox, Joris de Bres and Ella Henry on Maori TV’s Native Affairs.
  20. Rosemary McLeod in today’s Dominion Post.

The left-wing blogs are doing their bit by viciously attacking me in an attempt to distract from my message.

The neutrals tell me it just makes them more curious.

Abuse from the Grievers is always a sure sign that they’re rattled, and that my ‘bunker-busters’ are cutting through.

One lovely chap called Nick Dale even describes me as “New Zealand’s Madman”. Well, you can’t win ’em all.

Meanwhile funders great and small have been building up quite a fighting fund. We need lots more, but if one of these kind donors is you, I thank you for what you’re doing for our country.

(I’ve got you all parked in an ever-more-bulging folder to thank in person when I can.)

I’ve also found two excellent trustees to provide managerial oversight, so can now register the trust.

Thanks to both of you, who I’ll be proud to name if you give me permission.

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To donate to my campaign to expose the Treatygate fraud and make New Zealand a Colourblind State free of all racial favouritism by 2014, click here.

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25 thoughts on “The stories so far

  1. It’s really encouraging that so many people are finally taking notice and actually talking about this subject even if some are obviously against equality and an end to racism. It can only be healthy to have a proper debate and especially a chance to expose to those who have grown up with revisionist history, the true facts and how much they emphasise that it’s long overdue for us all to put the past where it belongs and progress together equally. We must end divisions and separatism, and make our country great again.

  2. Wow! That is an impressive collection, John.

    I concur with your statement Helen.

    To put the past behind us would be wonderful.

    Modern politics is holding a majority to account for things done in the distant past that NONE of us today had anything to do with!

    Nothing we say or do today can change the choices made in those times. Nothing.

  3. What about reparation paid by maori for all the massacres and butcherings and feastings on white people anakereiti? When does that part of the healing process begin? When do we get to be apologised to, and compensated for all the wrongs Maori did? It’s about time maori stopped whining about what was done to them over 100 years ago, had the decency to apologise for thier part in it all and get over it. Seriously.

  4. Well as soon as the white people or their descendants claim Brenda, then Im sure the descendants of the people involved would be happy to take their claim to a Tribunal where they can wait nigh on a hundred years for their claims to be heard. And really only the HauHau ate the white people, religious zealots ah, in any language , bad news. Seriously – you need to get over it. Reparation marching along slowly…

  5. Actually maori didn’t have to wait 100 years for their claims to be heard. They were heard and settled many many years ago. Yet you still complain when white people are not even allowed to make claims. That right, that privilege has been denied white New Zealanders!

    White people, just like maori people, did what they did, took the actions they did, because they thought they were doing the right thing at the time. They did what they believed they had to at that time. Yet only one side get to make claims, get to be heard and get to be paid by the other side for ever after.

    That’s not reparation. That’s extortion.

  6. What you have said is so true, Brenda. Yes, there were a very small number of claims all those years ago and they were settled, not once but several times. We won’t mention Ngai Tahu who have had 5 full and final settlements, the last 2-3 being in recent years. They were quite happy with each settlement at the time but, no, they discovered another devious way to extract more money. Nowadays there are 1000s of claims. How can this be when they weren’t thought of many years ago and closer to when the alleged wrongdoings took place? Extortion it is – on a grand scale.

  7. They only did whatever cos they thought they were doing the right thong is wrong Brenda. They did what they did because they thought Maori had no comeback. 11 claims wasnt it before 1920?how many iwi were affected far more than 11

  8. McLeod seems to confuse privilege in terms of racial favouritism under law for a group, with group outcomes. Doesn’t say much for her intellectual honesty.

  9. I don’t know if they thought that maori had no comeback, anakereiti. I know you are determined to think the worst of them no matter what. But even if they did think like that, it would be only natural. Ever heard the saying “to the victor go the spoils.” ? That’s the way things were done back then.

    I don’t see why I should be paying all my life for something that was done so long ago. You also have to remember that the white colonisers came from a civilisation that was massively more advanced than maori. This is bound to have had an impact on how they perceived maori at the time, and that would have been a perfectly natural reaction. You can’t blame them for that. No more than you can blame the maori chiefs that got to travel to England and saw all the things they had never even imagined, and want to have some of that for themselves.

    Can you honestly say that you would rather go back to living in a pa, the way it was back then, and not have any of the things that colonisation has brought to this country? Do you want to go live as if the white man had never come here? Can you honestly say that?

  10. @ Colin – and the benefits of putting an end to tribalism were? – And we are actually still a tribal people, Colin. Some would say the Brits were the most “tribal” of any race

  11. @ Brenda – your right to the victor goes the spoils, and it would appear to be us, wouldnt it?
    You seem to think we needed you – we didnt – we had lived a long time without you – and we didnt know that we were “disadvantaged” in any way. You actually needed our land more – your health expectancy was lower than ours!

  12. Anakereiti, you were fighting each other to the death with muskets for years before the British took over. Your population was decreasing at an alarming rate because of cannibalism, wars and female infanticide, leaving a much diminished reproduction system. In fact your population didn’t start to show signs of recovery until the end of the 19th century, long after the British took over the country at the request of many Chiefs who wanted peace, and brought some semblance of law and order. With great difficulty I might add, given that some rebel tribes wouldn’t give up their brutal ways without a fight.

    You actually have a lot to be grateful for as the Maori race could have died out but, no, you have to dwell in grievance mode over issues that are fraudulent and not relative to today.

    All the injustices were righted long ago and only a small number of tribes had any claims, compared with the 1000s of reinvented ones of today.

  13. anakereiti, no, it was not you. Maori ceded (surrended), to the British Queen. Remember the first article of the ToW?

    You’re right, you didn’t need us to kill yourselves. With tribal warfare, cannabalism, infanticide of female babies, you were doing very well all on your own.

    You did, however, need us to prevent you from disappearing off the face of the earth.

    I agree that maori would not have felt they were disadvantaged in any way. You cannot miss what you’ve never had or don’t even know exists. But now you have them I doubt there would be even one person amongst you that would want to give it all up and go back to living as you did before we came here. Every single one of you is taking advantage, in one way or another, of the benefits brought to you by colonisation. I’m not saying you shouldn’t because of course you should. But you cannot enjoy those same benefits while abusing the benefactors.

    You can’t keep eating your KFC, and typing away on your computers, and driving your cars etc etc and keep saying how awful and bad colonisation is. You cannot deny that we have brought to New Zealand, and maori, many advantages and a better lifestyle than they would have reached by now, left on their own. That is not a put down of maori either. It’s just a fact of the isolation of New Zealand. The British certainly did not reach their current level of civilisation in 150 years. It took white people many hundreds of years to evolve from the stone age to the space age. Maori, thanks to colonisation, have not had to make that struggle.

    You say that there are no benefits to ending tribalism. That you are still a tribal people. Possibly that’s part of the problem, because tribalism just doesn’t seem to work in todays modern world. If you want to do well in todays world, then perhaps you need to advance beyond the tribal concepts and embrace something new. All civilisations have had to change, adapt, and grow in order to thrive as the world changes and grows and evolves. If you don’t, you get left behind. That’s just a fact of life.

  14. bollocks – there was no female infantcide – and I would like to see the documents on that haha – because there are none. We had been living the same for hundreds of years, and in fact our numbers only declined after your arrival. Not the other way round – None of you seem to get that! Spend some time looking at the millions of documents stating the same. And the same again too many “what ifs” what if you didnt have cars or KFC , it wouldnt matter because we didnt have it! so the only direct benefit to COLONISATION was to pakeha.

    [JA: Anakereiti, have a read of Paul Moon’s This Horrid Practice some time – ideally before dinner, not after.

    Now Paul Moon is in most respects part of the Treatygate academic elite, yet he has produced the definitive work on Maori cannibalism.

    This also mentions the widespread custom of Maori mothers killing their newborn girls by compressing their skulls.

    I was amazed that this job was not left to the men, and that women were also widely involved in the killing that preceded the cannibal feasts.

    It’s a very thick book, and full of source references from sickened Europeans who, for one reason or another, witnessed the barbaric acts.]

  15. You can bury your head in the sand all you like, Anakereiti, but there definitely was female infanticide – it was witnessed by people from boats who visited our shores, long before the Treaty was signed and was written in their diaries at the time. The lack of females also played a part in the decline of your population because there weren’t enough to produce sufficient children to bolster the numbers. Your numbers definitely also declined dramatically during the musket wars fought amongst the tribes from 1806 to 1840 – and beyond. That is also a fact. Goodness knows where you get your information from but it is obviously from revisionist historians as the genuine ones have written these facts down and noted them all with references dating back to the times they occurred. Don’t ask me to give them all to you because they are too numerous.

  16. As for tribalism, it is definitely inhibiting those who are still adherring to it. Those who are won’t progress. Those who have progressed have abandoned tribalism, even though they still have an affinity with those from their old tribes, the same as, say, I do with my ancestors. But it isn’t a big part of their lives and doesn’t determine how they live their lives. Australia is a big testament to this where many people of Maori descent have moved to escape tribalism and all it entails. They are quite open about it and don’t hide it. They like the freedom and have no intention of returning here while it exists.

  17. “You seem to think we needed you – we didnt – we had lived a long time without you – and we didnt know that we were “disadvantaged” in any way”.

    But nowadays, could you go back to living the way your ancestors did?

  18. You could have just given 1 Helen you didnt – funnily enough I was talking to whanau the other day about this site – and i said it was entertaining and Im sure that we are all learning new things – as Im sure we are. Exercising our brains checking out details – good clean debate – and yes we do have differing views, and yes im sure we can all provide information that we take as FACT, whether we be right or wrong.

    I said that a colourblind state in essence was not a bad thing, even though we are coloured, and I said to them that sites like these may help dispell some of the misinformation that both sides have. Debate can only be good.

    Some of the information you provide is disturbing and I hope some of what I say causes you to remove the blinkers and have another look.

    I told whanau, that John Ansell’s ideas may not be too removed from Maori thoughts. You assume because of my views that im a “griever” actually im an achiver, but I dont need a label, and Im unsure why you actually think your so much better than Maori, that you presume in your superiority to label us. That is a gripe I have.

    And then i read this “You can’t keep eating your KFC” from Brenda – and I realised that , Brenda is a racist, nothing about a colourblind state. Pure stereotypical racism – I bet Brenda cant provide stats on Maori eating KFC as compared to Pakeha. But I bet Brenda would say “I always see Maori eating KFC on benny day” and to her that is now “FACT”. And that one statement actually took all the enjoyment out of this site for me.

    Its not a group of people wanting to learn things about each other. To discuss things, to see where one side might have got something wrong. Its a site where you all
    sit round denigrating Maori, because it makes you feel better.

    I learned a couple of things, I happily concede i was wrong about “all the women and children being raped at Parihaka” – I learned that you as a people feel deeply about the deaths of the settlers – but not enough to actually get off your butts and do anything. For a long time Maori have known that on the whole Pakeha are too lazy to protest, I think even you will concede that as fact, to your detriment. Maybe this site will make people get of their butts and not be so lacksidasial (excuse the spelling) about what you feel so deeply.

    I have also learnt that some of you cannot see any other view other than your own. I would almost put money on none of you actually looking at any of the information I provided, and seeing our point of view also.

    I wont be back on this site, and that can be put down to that one statement “You can’t keep eating your KFC”.

    Nga mihi nui koutou

    Thank you for letting me share my views also.

  19. For heavens sake! I also said driving cars and typing on computers. The KFC thing wasn’t meant at a dig at maori. i love KFC. At least I used to before I became a vegetarian. It was just an example of one of the many things colonisation has brought to NZ and I did not mean it as an insult or racist slur in any way.

    Wow, what an over-reaction! Why so sensitive anakereiti?

  20. Thank you for your views, Anakereiti. In defence of Brenda, she wasn’t implying anything other than pointing out the difference between living previous to 1840 against living today and asking you if you would like to go back to those lawless days using all your efforts on just staying alive and subsisting on very little. You shouldn’t take the KFC thing so personally as many people enjoy KFC. It was a figure of speech.

    Also we don’t think we are ‘better’ than you. Of course not. All we want is equality for everyone and continually looking backwards and wanting to be paid for it, is never going to achieve this. Everyone suffered in those dark lawless days, Maori and the White people, not to mention the Moriori who were virtually wiped out.

    As for female infanticide, it is difficult to quickly find a better quote but in John Robinson’s book in one part he says – Maori practised infanticide, and mostly female infanticide, and the resultant gender imbalances were similar to those of other peoples in similar circumstances with similar behaviour patterns. There are also quotes from the diaries of people who visited the country in those times but I can’t quickly lay my hands on them.

  21. Thank you for your contribution, Anakereiti. As one against many, you will have some idea how I feel when interviewed on Te Karere or Maori TV (or, for that matter, Close Up!).

    I will take the good out of your parting comment, and am pleased you found the debate interesting and useful.

    People on both sides of this debate have occasionally said or unintentionally implied things I am sure they did not mean.

    I would like to clarify one point: by ‘colourblind’, I do not mean ‘blind to “coloured” (ie brown or black) people’, as you seem to be suggesting.

    I mean ‘blind to skin colour’, including white.

    I would have thought that was obvious, but perhaps it isn’t.

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