David Rankin, Eddie Durie, Treatygate, Waitangi Tribunal

How long till they claim the sun?

As I’m sure Eddie Durie or David Rankin will soon remind you, Maori (in the form of Maui) invented daylight saving.

This means their iwi should be entitled to charge for sunlight and heat.

Expect the following hysterical (I mean historical) evidence to be heard and swiftly approved by the Waitangi Tribunal:

How Maui Tamed the Sun

Maui had often heard his brothers talking about how there was not enough sunlight during the day.

Night after night they would sit round the fire and discuss this problem.

No matter how early they got up, still there weren’t enough hours of sunlight for all their village duties and for hunting and fishing.

So Maui thought about what he could do to solve their problem.

Then he announced to his brothers that he had found a solution: ‘I think I can tame the Sun.’

‘Maui, don’t be so ridiculous!’ they replied. ‘No one can tame the Sun.

‘For a start, if you got anywhere near him you would be burnt to a cinder.

‘There  is no way of taming the Sun. He’s far too big and powerful.’

But Maui said, with great authority this time, ‘Look, I can tame the Sun.

‘Get all the women of the tribe to go and cut as much flax as possible — I want a really huge pile — then I will show you how to make a net that will be strong enough to capture the Sun.

‘I will make sure that he won’t go so quickly across the sky in future.’

The brothers obeyed him and when they had collected mounds of flax Maui showed them how to plait it into strong ropes.

He made long ropes and short ropes, and tied some of them together to make a net gigantic enough to catch and hold the Sun.

After many hours of plaiting they finally had enough rope and nets to please Maui.

Then he set off, equipped with his special axe, with his brothers and some men from the tribe and it took several days to reach the Sun’s resting place in the East.

After a short stop they started their preparations.

They found the cave from which the Sun would be rising next morning and they quickly set to work covering the entrance with the net of plaited ropes.

When they were sure they had done a really good job they camouflaged the ropes with leaves and branches.

They also made themselves clay walls as a protection against the Sun’s fierce heat, and smeared the clay all over their bodies.

Then they hid. 

Maui crouched down on one side of the cave and the rest of the men were on the other side.

It wasn’t long before they saw the first glimmer of light from the cave.

Then they felt the scorching heat.

The men were shaking with fear as the light grew more and more blinding and the heat more and more stifling.

They were sure that Maui’s plan would not work.

Suddenly they heard a sharp shout from Maui, ‘Pull! Pull the ropes as hard as you can.’

The net fell like a huge noose over the Sun.

Although the men were terrified that the Sun would kill them all, they pulled and strained as hard as they possibly could so that the Sun could not escape.

The Sun, who was raging at being held captive, struggled and roared.

Maui knew he had to do something more than just hold the Sun in the net so he yelled to one of his brothers to take his end of the rope.

He rushed out from the protection of his wall and, with his special axe raised high above his head, he ran towards the Sun.

Even though the heat was singing his body and his hair, he started to attack the Sun with his axe.

The Sun roared even louder. ‘What are you doing? Are you trying to kill me?’ he screamed.

‘No. I am not trying to kill you,’ answered Maui, ‘but you don’t understand.

‘You go too fast across the sky, and we are all unable to do our daily work.

‘We need more hours of light in our days for hunting and fishing, for building and repairing our village houses.’

‘Well,’ said the Sun, ‘you have given me such a battering that I don’t think I could speed across the sky now, even if I wanted to.’

‘If we release you,’ said Maui, ‘will you promise to slow your journey down?’

‘You have so weakened me that now I can only go slowly,’ answered the Sun.

Maui made him solemnly promise to do what he had asked and then he released the ropes.

Maui’s brothers and the men of the tribe watched as the Sun, slowly and stiffly, began to lift into the sky.

They all smiled at Maui — they were proud of him.

To this day, the Sun travels on his long lonely path across the sky at a very slow pace, giving us many more hours of sunlight than he used to do.

Of course, it remains to be determined exactly what quantum of extra light and heat Maui and his brothers were able to extract from the sun by slowing its passage across the sky.

But no doubt the ancestors of Messrs Durie and Rankin — those who were contemporaries of Maui — will have furnished the two expropriators (I mean experts) with the most compelling oral evidence.

‘Justice’ Durie will, I’m sure, argue that the sun’s rays were more highly prized by Maori than by the British because Maori clothes and houses were not as able to keep out the cold.

Mr Rankin, from the winterless north, will likely point to the sun god Ra’s obvious distaste for white people, since he keeps burning them.

With this sort of authoritative advocacy, Pakeha rights to the Great Golden Taonga should be gone by sundown.

37 thoughts on “How long till they claim the sun?

  1. It’s so sad that even when an article like this brings a chuckle, it’s tempered by the knowledge that in New Zealand today, this could happen.

    We used to hear odd news items, shake our heads and say to each other “only in America”. Now we hear the most ridiculous news items, and shake our heads and say “only in New Zealand”.

    It’s unbelieveable that anyone would take maori claims seriously. Yet not only are they taken seriously, mega dollars of taxpayers money goes into investigating these ideas, and then this small minority group are handed even more of our precious resources.

    The whole industry, for that’s what it is, has gone way beyond compensating for any or imagined wrongs done in the past and has moved into the realms of greedy children in a sweet shop.

  2. You want to know what is absolutely insane about this post?

    It is that everything you have written is very possible.

    They may not claim ‘sunlight’ as such but could put some claim on those who use solar power, for example.

    Or maybe they will get some secret deal through the ETS.

    What ever they do, it will cost ALL New Zealanders in the end.

  3. Many a true word spoken in jest!! What I find totally incredible is that people have actually swallowed the nonsense that we are all paying dearly for.

    They are are the adult version of little children who believe in fairies.

    The only difference is that it is costing everyone billions – and for what??!! What is it actually achieving other than lining the pockets of the elite?

    Binding referenda are urgent so that we can take back the running of this country ourselves and boot the lunatics out of the asylum. They wouldn’t know how to run a small business, let alone a big one.

  4. WOW! Totally agree with Helen, Trina, and Brenda, next thing they will say that Maori own G-D of the Universe. My advice is to Maoridom and to Gov’t is to ‘Learn Your Real History’. I’ll give a classic example;


    I suffer from a great disadvantage as there has been others before me who have compiled an excellent presentation of the early history of Aotearoa / New Zealand, however it seems not all about the Pacific inhabitants have been mentioned – perhaps their personal history doesn’t blend in with what some academics require or like other information has been distorted, or suppressed?
    There has to be a starting point as to where the pacific people came from, to do this one has trace their origins; when asked all in turn mentioned a far-off place called ‘Hawaiiki’. This name derives from polynesian belief that refers to an island in the Cook Group somewhere near Rarotonga, Whilst others arguably believe it to be in the Marquesas (Hiva Oa) in French Polynesia, often referred as the ‘Hub’ of Polynesia?
    In fact ancient script suggest otherwise as Hawaiiki isn’t an island but a distant home far removed from the South Pacific.

    Maui: According to Maori Mythology, the largest Pacific island landmass Aotearoa / New Zealand was fished out of the sea by a demi-god called Maui who supernaturally achieved the imposible. A supernatural being or spiritual presence as told throughout Polynesia; it was this same Maui who founded their islands and atolls simply by hauling fishing lines from his Vaka (note: not Waka the former is Polynesian for canoe) a much occupied demi god.

    Script as taken from my book ‘Before Maori NZ’s First Inhabitants’ Page: One & two. http://www.kindle.com / ww.createspace.com/3832110

    Meaning that Maui doesn’t belong to Maori alone as this so called demi god Maui is Polynesian diety.

  5. “If the colonialists don’t pay us for the use of the sun…. well, we’ll just take the sun back eh?” said Tamati.

    “That’ll show ’em!”

    “yes, yes” exclaimed the maori elites & apologists in unison as they rubbed their greedy little hands.

    They all fell silent contemplating their fiscal astuteness until one lad (who had been internalizing a complicated situation) piped up and asked, “but… how will we do that? You know how hot the sun is?”

    “That’s no problem,” replied the treaty of waitangi bureaucrat, ” we’ll go at night!”

  6. I listened to Chris Finlayson on Radio Live tonight and he provided to host Andrew Patterson the Yes Minister version of what can only be described as a loose, who cares, fraudulent abuse of NZ history.

    Today Finlayson announced that the taxpayer would be paying $170 Million dollars for grievance, apparently grievance that has been known for 150 years.

    As a tax paying NZ citizen I feel I have a right to ask what is the $170 Million grievance for? As it turns out it is for the Crown “exterminating” Tuhoe.

    I have read many books that expose a lot of stuff but I can not find one that supports a Tuhoe extermination justifying $170 Million. Maybe it is in the book that also explains the Parihaka “holocaust” where no one was killed? Who would know.

    What I do know is that New Zealand is in deep trouble and our government is not representing the New Zealand citizen.

  7. I too, am deeply worried Kevin. This further rort of taxpayers’ money is despicable. Anyone who knows the Tuhoe history knows that this settlement is very wrong. Finlayson is an utter disgrace and he’s either very devious or very ignorant – perhaps both.

  8. Trina, I believe he acted for Ngai Tahu when they got one of their many settlements – the fourth one I think, or it may have been the last one (the fifth!!).

  9. Kevin Campbell said: As a tax paying NZ citizen I feel I have a right to ask what is the $170 Million grievance for? As it turns out it is for the Crown “exterminating” Tuhoe.

    I have read many books that expose a lot of stuff but I can not find one that supports a Tuhoe extermination justifying $170 Million.

    Try “Encirlcled Lands” by Judith Binney and Mihaua by Binney,Chaplin and Wallace.

    That’s two to start with.

  10. Oh, you mean the fifth ‘FULL AND FINAL’ settlement, Helen?

    Oh hangon, maybe I need to explain how I understand your statement

    So, Ngai Tahu recieved 1 FULL AND FINAL settlement, then, they got a 2nd FULL AND FINAL settlement, then – obviously that was not enough, so, they got a 3rd FULL AND FINAL settlement ; but that still didn’t do, so the good ole NZ taxpayer forked out a 4th FULL AND FINAL settlement and then after some time they dug into TAX money paid to the Crown by the small New Zealand work force for the running costs of our country, and got paid out a 5th FULL AND FINAL settlement.

    Is that what you meant, Helen?

  11. Actually that wont be what she meant Trina. You werent reading her post correctly. She doesnt mention full and final once. You mrntion it 5 times and managed to get it wrong 4 times. Tsk tsk do your own research , come back and tell us again how many full and final settlements they have had. Make sure you check out ngai tahus complaints from as far back as 1849. Very interesting and a tribe many others could look to for astute business acumen

  12. This is what happens when you let lawyers loose without checks and balances like a jury for example which is made up of ordinary folk
    Only a lawyer could claim without a hint of a blush that her client could go to his girlfriends bedroom with a knife lock her mother out stab the girl 127 times and he was acting in self defence
    Trevor deCleene a lawyer /politician once described his trade like this
    ” There were two farmers arguing over a cow one had the head and the other the tail and i was in the middle milking it !
    I took them to the deCleeners” he chortled
    Like a lot of good jokes there is a strong element of truth to it
    You will notice that a lot of these claims have ratchet clauses in them
    leaving the door open for further claims should circumstances change in the future Ratchet clauses only work one way and not the general citizens way Chris Finlayson is not elected by the people and is not
    answerable to them No jury to check him Such is our system

  13. Full and final or not full and final – our country has forked out 5 times and are now forced to ‘put up and shut up’ every time Ngai Tahu gets a 17% top up.

  14. Hi if wanting to see how much Iwi have been paid out for claims especially around Waikaremoana or any other site then one will find that some Iwi have been paid out nine times for the same piece of land; makes me think that our Gov’t needs to re-learn their maths. All is revealed by reading ‘From Treaty To Conspiracy’, by H R Baker. published by One New Zealand Foundation Inc. Press 1998. ISBN 0-473-05066-8 (Online) This is a real eye opener for all KIWIS …

  15. To describe Ngai Tahu as a “tribe many others could look to for astute business acumen (anakereiti)” is gilding the lily. It’s not hard to do well when you are bankrolled by the taxpayer five times with ‘ratchet clauses’ and where your previous advocate lawyer is now in charge of of the ‘bank’ that pays you. All the more undermining of due process is the fact that as Attorney General, Finlayson got there solely on the list having been voted there by no-one. Surely a conflict of interest in anyone’s language?

  16. In 1844 the New Zealand Company bought the Otakou block, now estimated at 534,000 acres (2160 sq km). This was done by waiving the Crown’s exclusive right of purchase. Ngai Tahu received £2400 and less than 10,000 acres (40 sq km) for their own occupation. This purchase was dwarfed by the Crown’s 1848 purchase of the Canterbury block of about 20 million acres (81,000 sq km). This was nearly one-third of the entire country. By 1864, when Rakiura (Stewart Island) was bought, more than 34 million acres (138,000 sq km) had been acquired from Ngai Tahu in return for just over £14,750. This amounted to a fraction of one penny an acre. About 37,000 acres (150 sq km) were reserved for the tribe’s use. Ngai Tahu were left with about one-thousandth of their original lands.

    in 1848 The rangatira Matiaha Tiramorehu complained that lands or reserves that the tribe wished to keep had been included in the purchased area. This became a central grievance against the Crown. Official purchase agents even reported that they ‘got the land [Ngai Tahu’s reserves] reduced as much as possible’.

    In 1921 the Native Land Claims Commission recommended that Ngai Tahu receive £354,000 compensation. Ngai Tahu rejected this as inadequate; the Crown considered it too much. The Ngaitahu Claim Settlement Act 1944 provided for annual payments of £10,000 for 30 years to the Ngaitahu Trust Board. The tribe was not consulted on this until the legislation was passed. The 1944 act did not prevent the tribe from further pursuing its claim. The annual payment seemed to be the maximum amount possible for the times. It was later turned into a perpetual payment. Eventually, Ngai Tahu leaders used much of the money to pursue wider claims under the Treaty of Waitangi

    In 1998, after nearly 150 years, Ngai Tahu completed their efforts to have the Crown address their grievances. They signed a Deed of Settlement that provided compensation valued at $170 million. This confirmed Ngai Tahu’s ownership of pounamu, granted certain rights to sites of significance and allowed them some role in managing conservation estate resources within their boundaries.

    So how many full and final settlements have there been? Actually how many settlements have there been and Marc – gilding the lily – bitter much? And if the crown hadnt ripped them in the first place – who knows what they would have achieved by now?

  17. As I understand it, Ngai Tahu had been only too happy to sell almost the whole of the South Island before 1840.

    The island was under offer when the Governor called a halt to the deal before the Treaty was signed.

    Why were they happy to sell ‘their’ land?

    Because they did not think of it as ‘their’ land. It was spare land.

    They weren’t using it, and never had.

    The 2000 Ngai Tahu living in the South Island confined their activities to a dozen or so tiny enclaves on the coast.

    Few would ever have ventured inland.

    They had no clue about pastureland farming, or any animals to farm even if they’d wanted to.

    They had no concept of forestry.

    Therefore, all those millions of acres of trees had no value to them at all.

    To be offered money by the white man for what they saw as waste land was a great piece of luck.

    Now I fully accept that I may not have this right, as I have not studied the Ngai Tahu position as closely as I intend to.

    I invite others more knowledgeable to correct any misunderstandings.

  18. Good lord John, the 2000 were what was left…..not what was there. They arranged to sell some of their land on the proviso 10% of each land block sold was kept in reserve for iwi. that didnt happen. They had a written agreement that when the land was sold , with the exception of their reserves, schools hospitals (infrastructure) would be put in place for them. That didnt happen. And we all know that Maori know the value of money so when they were offered a fraction of a penny for each acre sold – after the contract had been completed, of course they complained.

    They were “commercial” fishermen, even exporting salted fish to Sydney, well before settlement. They also had thriving settlements and were busy traders with the whalers etc.

    Pounamu was a source of great wealth to them also. Gosh yes John, once again they were very lucky the benevolent white man turned up.

    Waste land – tell me how they were meant to eat when their access to customary kai or kai moana was removed, because no reserves were kept for them.

    yes John, 2000 were left AFTER

  19. Oh, I posted something for you on another site, Trina. Ngai Tahu definitely had four FULL AND FINAL SETTLEMENTS and I think the fifth one was a top-up because others had been awarded over a certain figure.

    Goodness knows what ‘full and final’ really means. It obviously doesn’t mean what we think it means.

    I haven’t been able to get to the computer all day and am only in here quickly so will have to check out all about these settlements and reply tomorrow.

    In the meantime, even though I haven’t read it yet, perhaps Alan Everton has explained it all to you in the link above.

  20. Still here, Trina. Have looked it up quickly and all the FULL AND FINAL SETTLEMENTS related to the same piece of land – the so-called Kemp purchase.

    There were five FULL AND FINAL SETTLEMENTS – in 1867, 1906, 1944, 1973, and 1998.

    They are also entitled to top-ups once other settlements go above $1 billion in 1994 dollars. They are now due a top-up because this has happened!!!!!????

    The whole thing is a great big fraud. The settlement of 1998 came about because of Geoffery Palmer’s invented Principles of the Treaty of 1986.

  21. I think he did it because of what the Judges were saying about principles of the Treaty when there weren’t any principles in it. Now he’s created an awful ghastly mess and knows it. He did say in recent times that they can easily be repealed with a law change. Can you imagine the hullabaloo if that happened even though it should. Perhaps a challenge in the Courts should be mounted.

  22. Question: For all those within Maoridom who are radical minded especially within Ngai tahu Iwi, why is it that when Kupe (believed to be the first Maori to arrive in Aotaroa / New Zealand) was taken / directed to where the valuable greenstone could be found. Out of all the rivers on the South Island West Coast and there are thousands of outlets and we are told that Kupe went directly to this particular area collected some greenstone then returned to Tahiti.
    If the latter is confirmed by Iwi (Tribes) then my question to Anakereiti & those of her kind; who directed Kupe this exact location, to be shown by whom? To explore all the rivers in the short time frame whilst in New Zealand such a finding is classed as impossible. Actual DNA and carbon dating of finds such as tools, fishing gear, from digs, taken from midden sites all tell another story of people, different races (Plural) living in the South Island 2000 – 5000 yrs BCE. They were definately not Maori, they made no weapons, a peaceful race, so who were they and what happened to them?
    These peaceful folk were attact killed eaten by the savages from the so called ‘Hawaiiki’ a distant home of the ancient Polynesian. This to ancient Polynesian-Maori was called ‘Walking the Land’ claiming ownership by forceful means.
    Research tells that Maori were NOT the first to come to our shores because there were five different races living peacefully together as One People. This tells me that all ownership of any river/seashore, water, sunlight claims in truth should go to those few families who are left / survived who are still with us today of whom my wife and I have actually met. If in doubt read my work ‘BEFORE MAORI NZ’s FIRST INHABITANTS’ http://www.kindle.com

  23. Te Rauparaha is right – well before 1840.

    But what do you mean about colonials? There weren’t any colonial massacres of Ngai Tahu.

    Can you point to some evidence that there were?

  24. I didnt say anything about colonial massacres John, but its well established that essentially Maori there were dying in quite large numbers, landless, no access to customary kai areas – 5000 at the time of colonial arrival, 2000 after all was lost. and no not all due to Te Rauparaha.

  25. “Well established”? By whom? The Waitangi Tribunal?

    I’m sorry, Anakereiti, I don’t doubt your honesty, but after claims like “all the women and girls at Parihaka were raped” I have good reason to doubt your sources.

    In what sense were Ngai Tahu “landless”?

    In what sense did they have “no access to customary kai areas”?

    By the way, I too am landless. Have been for 14 years.

    And I have no customary kai areas to be denied access to – unless you mean the kitchen when my wife’s in a bad mood. 😦

    And yet, as far as I know, I’m not dying.

    What is it with Griever Maori that they think they need to own vast tracts of land to be able to make a buck?

  26. Hi John,
    This new site is hard to navigate. I’m guessing it was not your idea but the brainchild of wordpress.
    Any chance of going back to how it was before? Will you be putting any more of your excellent ( factual and well written) articles on this site, as we haven’t seen much from you lately. Thanks

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