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Together New Zealand: an inclusive identity

This is my idea of a brand identity which would unite New Zealanders under one multiracial banner.

My inspiration for the design (rendered by Rachel Cunliffe to a suggestion from my friend Perry) was the team huddle of the Silver Ferns netball team.

Inspiration for the logo: the Silver Ferns team huddle.

Now there’s no doubt our similarly multiracial All Blacks are the ultimate world model of excellent sporting performance.

But the Silver Ferns have always been the ultimate in excellent sportsmanship and behaviour, both on and off the court — the perfect ambassadors for our country.

(When was the last time you opened a newspaper to a story about ‘Former Silver Fern hits husband’ or ‘Ex-Silver Fern found drunk in gutter’? I don’t think it’s ever happened.)

This year’s squad list includes Maori names Tutaia and Te Huinga Reo (Selby-Rickit), Pacific names (correct me if I’m wrong, girls) Latu and Naoupu, Europeans Grant, Harrison and Williams, and our pet South African giraffes van Dyk and de Bruin.

And of course coach Waimarama Taumanu is Maori.

All Blacks all races

Same on the rugby field, where a Maori halfback (Aaron Smith or Piri Weepu) passes to British New Zealander Dan Carter, who passes to Samoan New Zealander Ma’a Nonu, who passes to British New Zealander Conrad (and sometimes Ben) Smith, who flicks it on to Samoan New Zealander Julian Savea, or to Israel Dagg (what’s he: Jewish? Maori? Who cares!)

And how can we forget those wonderful Tongan and Fijian wingers Johah Lomu and Josefata Rokocoko?

Race is irrelevant in our star sports teams. Should it not also be so in our nation as a whole?

I’m off to Toast Martinborough to relax after a busy week, and to think about my next move.

Potential party

My inclination is to form an organisation called Together New Zealand, and do it in such a way that it could quickly be converted into a political party.

I am quite relaxed about who leads the organisation, and whether I am simply the catalyst or something more.

That, I imagine, will be determined by the calibre of people who step forward.

My next priority will be to appeal to serious funders, now that we have a few runs on the board.

This week’s four meetings were a testing of the water, to see what level of support I could get just from this blog and my email network.

(I also ran one small ad on the letters page in Tauranga.)

Blog booming

Blog traffic has grown tenfold in recent months, from around 200 visits a day to over 2000.

I’m certainly not at Kiwiblog or Whaleoil levels, but I’m pleased that interest is clearly on the rise.

Now: what are your thoughts about the Together New Zealand identity?

For my part, I see Treatygate as a strong short-term brand for clearing the road block that is the Treaty industry, and Together New Zealand as the positive long-term brand for focusing on the road.

634 thoughts on “Together New Zealand: an inclusive identity

  1. Whether or not there is anything to the idea of a pre-Maori civilisation in NZ is largely a separate issue from tackling the racist slave-to-Maori state that we have become.

  2. It appears that because some unimportant and irrelevant people agree with Anakereiti, it makes her think she is right.

    However, there are more and more articles appearing all the time, written by people who actually have brains and eyes and can see what is going on – like this one in Investigate HIS: http://issuu.com/iwishart/docs/his_dec12jan13_preview

    A very good article there called Corridors of Paua

  3. NN said: Alarmed, James Cowan was a journalist I’m sure he used his journalistic skills to embellish his story.

    I guess anything is possible Ngamoko. However it is hard to see why he would say that almost all of Whakatohea participated with the Hau Hau to embellish the story. His observations were based on interviewing people that were there at the time. According to his biography below he was actually sympathetic to Maori. Personally I would place more faith in his observations than any of our later day historians.
    As a comment and without trying to denigrate you or your Grandfather, it seems logical that those returning from the Hau Hau campaign or those that participated at the time would have a vested interest in trying to cover it up, such is the problem with oral history.

    James Cowan, photographed by Stanley Andrew, 1929.

    James Cowan spent his childhood on a Kihikihi farm, which occupied land confiscated from Maori. Events following the New Zealand Wars dominated life and society in the area, and this engendered his lifelong fascination with Maori and colonial history. His job as a journalist enabled him to pursue a passion for bush exploration and historical research. From 1903, when he was appointed as a journalist for the new Department of Tourist and Health Resorts, he publicised areas being opened up for tourism, writing three books on South Island attractions and a comprehensive New Zealand tourist handbook.

    Subsequently, as a freelance writer he had six books published in the space of four years, the most notable being The Maoris of New Zealand in 1910. Under commission from the Department of Internal Affairs from 1918 to 1922, he wrote his best-known work on the New Zealand Wars, which remains a classic in New Zealand literature and history.

    A prolific writer, he produced more than 30 books and wrote hundreds of newspaper and magazine articles, mainly Maori ethnography, frontier stories and descriptive accounts for tourists and immigrants. His writing on Maori included both popular and scholarly works, some of which were published in the Journal of the Polynesian Society. His sympathetic view of Maori fostered the use of the Maori language and the rebuilding of Maori society and economic well-being. As one of the country’s most widely read non-fiction authors during the first half of the 20th century, he strongly influenced the way people viewed their history and developed a sense of nationhood.

  4. Interesting interview of Muriel Newman by Leighton Smith this morning.
    Unfortunately I had a meeting and didn’t hear any of the callers that followed. If Leighton was to take the cause on board it would really help.

  5. Aamy. I think Richard Prosser’s article is prophetic. We are going to see a huge swing in the next election towards NZ First and the new Conservative Party. The majority of Kiwis are heartily sick of seeing their tax money being siphoned off into “Maori only” enterprises and the major parties grovelling to the stirrers in the hope of buying a vote.
    The Maori seats are old hat, created to allow an inarticulate portion of society to have a voice that could be heard. Today that group has the potential to be as educated as any other, and the opportunity to be elected in any electorate. Perhaps our next Prime Minister will be of Maori descent. No doubt the “you owe us a living” whingers would still find something to whinge about.

  6. I agree Mitch. However the issue I see is that few will actually change sides from (for want of other definitions) left to right. I think Nationals support will erode to NZF & Conservatives but I don’t see either of these parties gaining from Labour or Greens.
    Therefore by default we could well see a left wing government consisting of Labour & Greens with possibly NZF while the Nats and Conservatives sit in opposition. This is unlikely to result in any change in the policies we are concerned about.

  7. Mike. As I see it, it will depend upon how persistently NZ First promotes their policies of abolition of the Waitangi Tribunal, scrapping Maori seats, separate legislation for Maoris, and assigning of the Treaty to the “interesting historical documents” basket.
    I realise that the other major parties will do all they can to ridicule these objectives and no doubt the media will have a ball as well.
    Don’t underestimate the groundswell of discontent among the public in general as they see their basic rights being eroded
    If NZ First keeps pushing the case for equal rights in this country we may see a major upheaval in the balance of power.
    As they say, you can fool some of the people some of the time……….!

  8. Agree Mitch If NZ First entrench this policy and make it non negotiable
    in coalition talks they have my vote. I have never voted NZ First before.

  9. It appears that new discoveries and historical evaluations can, in the eyes of some, only have validity if the seeker of truth has a long list of letters after their name and can cite others who are citing others who are citing others before them.

    Give me the evidence of a practical observer who has had hands-on experience and I will grant it more credence than opinions from academics whose learned conclusions often stem from plagiarism and the desire to be one of the “in crowd” in academic circles.

    Remember, Jed Clampett discovered oil that no one else knew was there just by shooting at a rabbit.

  10. Now this is the story of a man named Jed
    a poor mountain man who could barely keep his family fed
    then one day he was shooting at some fooood
    and up from the ground came a bubblin crude!

    Thanks for the remembrance Mitch.

    When laying the Refinery-Auckland gas pipeline in the 80s we crossed several streams where only minimal topsoil was removed by the right of way crew.

    I couldn’t really see where the oil leaking into the fresh water stream was coming from but seemed to be from the cut on the northern bank.

    Just another observation.

  11. Ngamoko, I appreciate your thorough account of the Volkner incident.

    Are you saying that Volkner’s murder was the sole reason for the Crown confiscating the tribe’s land?

    Regarding Parkinson, I’m pretty sure he initially told Martin Doutre via email that the Littlewood document was Hobson’s final draft, then changed his mind later, presumably after pressure from colleagues.

    I’ll ask Martin for that email.

    1. JA: Ngamoko, I appreciate your thorough account of the Volkner incident. Are you saying that Volner’s murder was the sole reason for the Crown confiscating the tribe’s land?

      NN: No, I’m not saying that. There’s another reason for the policy of land confiscation enacted by the government of the day. The Settler government by the late 1860’s was almost bankrupt due to the Land Wars. The government had borrowed 3 million pounds from England in 1863 to pay for the war, that’s about NZ$370 million in today’s money. Land confiscation was therefore seen as one way to solve the financial difficulty that the government faced.

      JA: Regarding Parkinson, I’m pretty sure he told Martin Doutre via email that the Littlewood document was Hobson’s final draft, then changed his mind later, presumably after pressure from colleagues.

      NN: I think you’re grasping at straws with that one JA. If such an email from Parkinson existed don’t you think that Martin Doutre would have revealed its contents by now? After all the debate over the authenticity of the Littlewood document has been going on for 20 years. And if such an email purportedly sent by Dr. Parkinson to Martin Doutre did suddenly turn up it would tend to cause some suspicion as to its authencity, and would need verification that it most likely came from a computer that Dr. Parkinson would likely have worked on at the time the email was sent.

    2. Firstly, the figure was 3 million pounds, not 3000 pounds, which in today’s money is NZ$321,843,317.97 using the BNZ Inflation Calculator.

      “Have you any evidence NN to back up the assertion of confiscations to balance the books or is this just another pakeha bash”?

      Go and take a look at the financial state of the country during that period and you will see that the government was forced into making exoenditure cuts in order to try and repay its overseas loans. Wars are expensive, and land confiscation was the best option in order to recover costs.

    3. “There is a disconnect between Cowan and what NN is saying. I have yet to see any evidence provided by NN for his theory”.

      My evidence is my father, my grandfather and my great-grandfather.

    4. Calling all part-spacemen, calling all part-spacemen! This is your king speaking, King Manuka Manuka! What is the latest update on the alleged Waipoua Forest City demolition as reported by brother Mitch last Sunday?

      Over and out!

  12. NN’s comments on General Cameron who put down the rebellion are interesting. NN states that Cameron was highly critical of BOP settlers.

    In Tauranga there has been an on going argument in the local paper for at least a month recently with letters flying back & forth regarding the battle of Rangiaowhia. On one side are a number of local Maori identities who claim that during this battle the British commander General Cameron set fire to the local Catholic Church that was sheltering 144 Maori women and children and they all burned to death. According to them Cameron was a butcher who hated Maori and committed this and other atrocities and upheld the rights of settlers over Maori.
    A local historian who has researched the battle however claims that this never happened. When Cameron attacked the village (the tribe was in open rebellion) most of the defenders took up a position in a Whare whose floor had been excavated to form a rifle pit. During the battle this Whare caught fire, probably through the actions of the defenders inside who had muskets and were firing out of the whare through the thatched walls. They had also dragged a wounded/killed British soldier inside. This building burned to the ground taking most of the occupants with it except for some who tried to flee and were shot. There is a suggestion that some of these may have been trying to surrender. Others took cover in different buildings including the church and surrendered. This account states they were not further harmed. According to this account the total number of Maori killed was 12.
    It has been interesting seeing this debate evolve as on one side the “church burned” supporters started off adamant that this happened and that it was an appalling atrocity. As this historian has come back with evidence that clearly refutes many if not most of the claims the supporters have slowly had to backtrack until now their position has been reduced to Cameron deliberately setting fire to the Whare (unlikely) and a small number (perhaps as few as 1 or 2) Maori shot in the heat of battle as they fled the Whare possibly trying to surrender.

    They are still trying to call this an atrocity and Cameron a Maori hating butcher. Such is the type of ‘evidence’ given to the Waitangi Tribunal for settlement claims.

  13. “JA: Ngamoko, I appreciate your thorough account of the Volkner incident. Are you saying that Volner’s murder was the sole reason for the Crown confiscating the tribe’s land?

    NN: No, I’m not saying that. There’s another reason for the policy of land confiscation enacted by the government of the day. The Settler government by the late 1860′s was almost bankrupt due to the Land Wars. The government had borrowed 3 million pounds from England in 1863 to pay for the war, that’s about NZ$370 million in today’s money. Land confiscation was therefore seen as one way to solve the financial difficulty that the government faced.”

    Ngamoko has admited that at some of Whakatohea took up with the Hau Hau rebellion. James Cowan says most of them including one of Volkners deacons. There is a major disconnect between Cowan and what NN is saying. I have yet to see any evidence provided by NN for his theory.

  14. Further to above:
    The Reserve bank calculator puts 3000 pounds in 1863 at NZ$319,487.65 in todays dollars not $370,000. Have you any evidence NN to back up the assertion of confiscations to balance the books or is this just another pakeha bash?

  15. NN Apologies for the calculation error however a Government that is cash strapped is not evidence that they resorted to confiscations to address it. I have already posted my comments on oral history. If Cowen was correct then there would be a vested interest in denying involvement in the Hau Hau campaign. I am not accusing you or your family of anything, I am just saying that sometimes families (and even tribes collectively) have secrets.

  16. NN – once again, information passed down grows/changes in the telling. It is not safe to rely on word of mouth alone and needs to be backed up by information written at the time by those who were there.

  17. NN My GG Grandfather was an eyewitness to the shelling of Gate Pa
    with two of his sons but I wouldnt take much notice of word of mouth descriptions passed down the generations alongside Cowans interviews with eyewitnesses even though they may be flawed as well
    with the passage of time seeing that they were taken in 1920 was it ? Is your evidence verbal or documented at the time?

    1. It was verbal evidence handed down although I think, and I’m not 100% certain of this, it may have been recorded in the Maori Land Court Minute books in the early 19th century during Maori Land Court sittings at Opotiki by my grandfather.

  18. It would be good to know if it was recorded in the Maori Land Court Minute books, NN, because I wouldn’t rely on verbal evidence at all.

    I’ve yet to meet someone who can repeat the same story to several people at different times and it will be exactly the same as the first account. There is always a subtle change but by the time it gets to people further down the line that subtle change is much bigger, totally distorting the original. Sorry guys, but men would be the worst.

  19. I assume you mean early 20th century About the time of Cowans
    eyewitness interviews My Grandfather was a baker at Waimana at that time and my father was born in Opotiki Just by the way

    1. Salamt Pagi,

      How very patronising of you all to say that verbal history is unreliable as a source. This is from people who put their faith in amateurs and non-historians to support their arguments of a pre-Polynesian Celtic NZ and their preposterous belief in the Waitahan Cult.

      It’s all a bit weird to me! Have a nice day part-spacemen I’m off to work it’s prize giving today and the last day of school and I go on holiday for five weeks.

      Jumpah Lagi

  20. NN, the ‘amateurs and non-historians’ all rely on documented evidence of the times, not oral, whereas, sadly today, all too many historians distort the evidence to suit agendas. Equally sadly, There is usually money tied up in it somewhere whereas the amateurs and non-historians have nothing to gain but exposing the truth.

    Have a nice day and enjoy your holiday, NN. I’m sure it is well earned. I mean that sincerely.

  21. NN puts his faith in his history as passed down through many hands and generations.

    As shown by my earlier recounting of the battle of Rangiaowhia, local Maori were adamant an atrocity had occurred stating Cameron had deliberately burned down a church killing 144 Maori – mainly women and children inside.

    Historical records however show that this never occurred, what did burn down was a Whare being used as a defensive rifle site and Maori killed in the battle totalled 12 including some inside the Whare.

    This disparity highlights the dangers of taking chinese whispers over historical records.

  22. Exactly, Mike. What we have to watch today is that history is now being written down incorrectly to meet certain agendas, so we won’t always be able to rely on what more recent historians come up with. We will still have to research closer to the times.

    It’s a sad testament as to what happens when money enters the equation.

    Thankfully decades ago, most historians were interested in the true facts and wrote them down accordingly.

  23. NGAMOKO NIKORA your comment above “all I have to say is this mate you Dutch were hopeless. The Germans marched in and took over the Netherlands in four days. You guys didn’t fare much better against the Japanese either in Indonesia. In fact the Japanese used you blokes for sword practice, chopping your heads off with their samurai swords. Then aft er the war the Indons wanted you Dutch out of their country. You left Indonesia with your tails between your legs.

    As to ‘saving our skins’ you wasters couldn’t even save your own skins you were that hopeless. The Netherlands is regarded as a joke amongst other European nations, especially by the Germans and the French.”

    What you say here is biggest deploarble, bigoted, small minded, senseless, bit of bullshit I have heard in a while. What right do you have slamming the millions of innocent who were caught up in one of the worlds most abhorent attrocites that have ever happended on record?

    You are SO lucky the British colonised NZ. It’s about time you realised how special the TREATY actually is.

    It’s people like you (I’m not reffering to your partial race of Maori) that keep holding this country to ransom for not taking responsibility of your own actions. It’s not the treaty that has lead to the HUGE inbalance of Maori poverty, high % of Maori incarcerated, abuse, murdered babies, disease, welfare an on and on…
    Instead of pulling out the victim card and laughing at others that have suffered great injustice go and do something to help. As this is NOT just a Maori problem it’s a NZ problem and we are ALL paying for it literally. GROW UP you insensitive, ignonant, ass wipe. I know first hand about the japanese and their POW camps in Java. HOW DARE YOU SPIT ON THE GRAVES THAT SAVED YOUR ANCESTORS ASS AND THOSE THAT DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM.

  24. Hello Hotferdoma, My father was taken by the Japanese in Java early 1942. He was sent to Thailand and the Burma / Thai railroad including the infamous River Kwai bridge. Tens of thousands perished. Later in the war he was shipped to Japan itself and was working in the coal mines near Nagasaki when the 2nd bomb was dropped. They and the other POW’s had been told that as soon as news of any allied landings in Japan came through they would be lined up and shot.
    His brother (my uncle) was in the Dutch resistance and died in a Nazi concentration camp not long before the end of the war in Europe.

    So here is NN, a TEACHER!!! can you believe, snickering about and abusing people who not only suffered these circumstances in relatively modern history and helped to save all of our necks including – sadly perhaps NN himself, but then – in the case of my dad – came here after WWII with NOTHING and built himself a successful life and business through WORKING HARD and treating his clients and employees HONESTLY and helped to build the wealth and success of this country.

    Is it any wonder that our country is now so screwed when people like NN have access to our children, filling them with so much crap about the past, ignorance and disrespect for the people who worked to give us the opportunities they never had – and perhaps our descendants will also now never have due to this stupidity. It is a tragedy that people like NN are ever allowed anywhere near the minds of children. It’s nothing but child abuse.

  25. All this debate over differing versions of events may be interesting in another context, but it has caused a major drift away from the central point. Also unhelpful are insults like “part spacemen” etc. which do nobody any credit, and sink to the dire, infantile level of those few who infest the “Anti-Ansell” blog site in their desperate attempt to obscure the issues by means of nasty, defamatory personal attacks . The ugly face of uncontrolled blogging.

    As far as I am concerned, the real issue is bluntly and accurately summed up by Richard Prosser MP in his recent article; I recommend everyone reads the entire thing online; links already posted above:

    ” This madness has to stop. We cannot, we will not, go forward as a nation while this weeping sore is allowed to continue to fester.
    Ordinary middle New Zealand, white and brown alike, have had about a gutsful of the separatist agenda of this and previous Governments, and that of their cynical and greedy co-conspirators within the professional grievance industry. Ordinary brown and white middle New Zealanders have just about come to the end of their rope where the racist elitists of the Gravy Train are concerned; the academics, the sycophants, the half-caste and part-caste and 1/64th part “Māori” who claim colonial oppression is to blame for them smoking dope and beating their children to death, while standing with their hands out for never-ending compensation for wrongs never suffered, from those who never committed any wrongs.

    It is time that the Gravy Train was derailed, the Waitangi Tribunal disbanded, the Treaty removed from legislation and hung up in a museum; time for us all to go forward as one nation. Nothing else is sustainable. ”

    Read that final sentence again – Nothing else is sustainable.

  26. Postscript: I totally endorse the comments of Hotferdoma & Mike Kuipers von Lande. Two of my uncles were POWs of the Japanese and they suffered badly. But in 70 years the world has largely got over the horrors of WW2 – perpetrated by all sides – and moved on. It is well overdue for NZ to do the same. Disband the Waitangi Tribunal and move on together. Spend some of these ridiculous amounts of taxpayer “settlement” cash on improving life for everyone.

  27. As far back as about sixteen, maybe twenty years ago I recall there being a tongue-in-cheek article in the NZ Herald about there being one “Maori” who was registered on the Maori Roll claiming to be 1/264th part Maori.
    No further comment necessary.

  28. JP I agree entirely.nothing else is sustainable.
    I have been interested in the debate over NN’s tribe as it seems to be representative of a number of claims (based on heresay rather than fact and NN has been here to debate it)
    At this point in time I can’t prove for certain that James Cowan was right but there are other sources that seem to back his view.
    Bear in mind that this must be very unsettling for NN as it challenges his established world view and everything he has been taught. It is a shame if he has to resort to abuse and racial slurs if his beliefs are scrutinised.

  29. Yes, NN does seem to have a “hair trigger” between rational and offensive. Because of that I struggle to take anything he says seriously. And also because he sits firmly on the grievance side of the debate. We have to move on beyond endless grievance /appeasement /compensation – and these debates don’t help that to happen.

  30. Final post on this issue then I promise to move on. In 1927 there was a Royal Commission into confiscated lands and other grievances. It can be viewed here:
    http://atojs.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/atojs?a=d&d=AJHR1928-I.1.3138&cl=&srpos=0&e=——-10–1——0–
    Clauses 51-58 deal with Bay of Plenty Maori.
    The commission found:
    That the confiscations were legal and justified as
    Whakatohea had been proven to rebel against the crown and engage with troops trying to arrest Volkners murder.
    That Whakatohea originally had 491,000 acres and were left with 347,130
    That the Wakatohea confiscation was excessive but only to a small extent. They awarded Whakatohea and annual sum of 300 pounds to go towards the education of their children.

    Unlike the Waitangi tribunal the Sims commission looked at both sides of the argument.

  31. MOONBEAM – No Dishonest John here. MIKE KUIPER – My family suffered simillar fates. JOHN PHILLIPS – I sympathise. Their core of the issue is simply greed. On every level. Stamp out the greed. HOW? Sadly – It’s human nature.

  32. If people of our parents’ and grandparents’ generation can accept that today’s Japanese had nothing to do with crimes committed 70 years ago, then you’d think Griever Maori ought to be able to stop milking today’s British New Zealanders for crimes that may or may not have been committed 150 years ago.

    The Japanese learned their lesson that declaring war on powerful countries doesn’t pay, and set about building a peaceful and prosperous society.

    Griever Maori would do well to emulate them.

    Where else in the world do the descendants of those who put down a rebellion pay endless reparations to the descendants of the rebels?

  33. So the Royal Commision of 1927 says Whakatohea had 491000 acres and finished up with 347000 acres
    NN says Whakatohea had 460000 acres and finished up with 20000 acres I wonder who is right ?

  34. Exactly JA. My father and his family suffered terribly in WWII. He never received compensation. Should he? Well perhaps, but he’s dead now. And who would have paid it? Not the people who instigated the conflict. They mostly died in the war. So should I receive compensation as his son? Well NO. It didn’t happen to me. And the people who would have to pay weren’t responsible for the sins of their fathers either.

    But what is happening in NZ is that a bunch of people only partly related to the supposed aggrieved race are receiving massive compensation (many times over) for wrongs that often didn’t actually happen, to people who lived many many generations ago and the money and resources for this compensation are being taken from people who had nothing to do with these often fabricated and embellished wrongs on the grounds that their race is responsible for these wrongs and being paid on the basis of ethnicity to people who are actually partly related to the payers.

  35. Graeme Faulkner, “So the Royal Commission of 1927 said that the Whakatohea had 491,000 acres and finished up with 347,000”.

    Read the rest of the story; “After the land confiscations of the 1860’s the Whakatohea were left with the principle block being the Opape Reserve, of 20,920 acres”.

    Source: Native Lands and Tenure, 1908 page 1

  36. Hotferderma, you maybe right when you say that we are lucky that the British came to NZ. You Dutch thought you could come here and take us on but we sent Tasman packing and he never dared come back. Gutless wimp!

    Spitting on the graves of those who saved my ancestors ass! What the hell are you talking about dick head? The Maori Battalion fought in two world wars and unlike your ancestors they never turned tail and run. At the Battle of Takrouna where 2Lt Ngarimu was awarded the VC the Maori soldiers took no prisoners those Germans and Italians who attempted to surrender had their throats cut and their bodies were tossed over the cliff.

    How hard did the Dutch fight the Germans or the Japanese? Did they show the same warrior spirit like the Maori Battalion? I don’t think so? Bloody useless pricks!

    You Dutch fellas don’t deserve compensation from the Japanese because you weren’t in your country, the Indonesians do, but not you lot.

  37. I concur Mike K, and so does Mike Hosking on this morning’s ZB.

    He was referring to the report due out by Ngapuhi claiming they never signed the Treaty and instead had instructed the Crown to take care of its unruly British subjects living here. He said he and most NZ’ers were sick and tired of the constant dredging up of an extremely exaggerated and totally biased past. He urged the grievers to bugger off and grieve somewhere else and leave this beautiful land to us average “mixed race” people.

    I note with some astonishment the statement that appears on the front page of the 2012 Ngapuhi Annual Report:

    “Ngapuhi moving to the future together”

    In light of the trash they keep putting before us perhaps that should be:

    “Ngapuhi dredging up the past forever”

    With every spurious claim dished up on an almost daily basis I can feel the angst growing, I can hear the mainstream media drawing deep breathes, I can feel something changing.

    Let us not be silent… this OUR country… we have the power to make it want we want it to be, an equal society where race sits quietly in our hearts and a hand up is assessed on needs not ancestry.

    JA: Hear hear!

  38. Ngapuhi Trustees:

    Raniera (Sonny) Tau
    Carol Dodd
    Te Rau Allen
    Joe Bristowe
    Paul Haddon
    Brian Joyce
    Mike Kake
    Helene Leaf
    Edith Tahere
    Wane Wharerau
    George Riley
    Gema Hauraki

    I can’t see this crowd telling the Crown to take care of its unruly citizens, most of them would have to straighten their own act up… they are British

    Just saying

  39. “Graeme Faulkner, “So the Royal Commission of 1927 said that the Whakatohea had 491,000 acres and finished up with 347,000″.

    That is definately what the Sims report says I have downloaded a copy.
    I guess they could have got it wrong. Maybe they got the rest of it wrong as well, the bit about Whakatohea punishment being excessive but only to a small extent.

  40. NN you really are a gutless prat aren’t you. You spit on the giants you came before you while wiping your snotty nose with the back of your hand and holding it out snivelling that haven’t a big enough piece of pie and you want some more.

    The Dutch have done a huge amount to build NZ into the successful country it used to be. They did it quietly, without fanfare. Most of them came here with nothing and did something. You were here with something and did nothing. You are utterly pathetic.

    You trumpet the Maori battalions for cutting the throats of German POW’s and then whine when if at any time the British soldiers your cannibal ancestors faced didn’t treat them with kid gloves.
    I guess all those settler women and children your ancestors raped and slaughtered and ate deserved it too eh.

    JA: I noticed the irony of that comment too, Mike. You can’t have it both ways, Ngamoko.

    You can’t complain about the British killing prisoners in wartime (actually the only such act I’m aware of in New Zealand was the unauthorised execution of 100 rebel prisoners in Poverty Bay by Maori loyalist Rapata), then boast about Maori doing the same to the Germans.

    Will Maori be paying reparations to the families of those Germans?

    1. Mike Kuipers, at least I don’t hide behind a stupid non-deplume like you and your gutless mate, Hotferderma.

  41. Would any non-myopic researcher be willing to find any relevant links to the New Zealand Forces and how they were gathered and then arriving in support of the Boer War?

    I feel I should ask as I have also received oral history that I believe to be true and could prove of merit to another that is prepared to dig in as it were.

    I also believe this information should come from someone else that wishes to give another point of view to float any recorded events of the time in both Lands.

    Whilst not wishing to get off topic this research in fact could be a future blog topic if required of course.

    Just another thought.

    1. Mike Kuipers von Lande, is that your real name? Come out and show yourself. You can check me out on FB under my name. Can I check you out on FB?

      You’re getting all hot and bothered because you know I’m right. You insult my ancestors, then you get all upset when I do likewise. If you can’t handle the heat in the kitchen my friend, then it’s time to get of there.

    2. You people on this blog have done your best to insult me and undermine my credibilty for the past several weeks. I have dealt with you as politely as I can. So, why do I put up with you? Simple, to counter the racist slurs and attempts to distort the history of our country in order to undermine the position of the Maori people.

  42. NN What have you ever done with your life besides moan, whine, strut around pretending you belong to a line of noble warriors and brainwash children with your racist lies?

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