John Tamihere, Truth, Willie Jackson

Where’s Willie?

Truth - Willie and JA - Sorry John, no facts yet
Last week

Truth - Willie and JA - The dog ate my email John
This week

Truth - Willie and JA - Can I phone a friend Ed
Next week?

Truth - Willie and JA - OK JA, you didn't lie, I did
The week after?

If you’re wondering why my page 2 stoush with Willie Jackson in Truth has ground to a halt, so am I.

Hopefully posts like this will gee Willie back into action, and that his emailed vow to “resume our contest” is genuine.

Willie and JA - emails
JT’s sour response on Willie’s behalf.

As Willie is learning, when someone publicly calls me a liar, I don’t let go until I’ve proved them wrong — publicly.

But I should say that Willie is remarkably civil to me in person, as the above exchange shows. He gave me a pretty fair hearing on Radio Live too.

His mate Tamihere, however, is still sore at me for exposing (on their Waitangi Day show) his habit of leaving out parts of the history that don’t suit his Griever agenda.

As a result, he was less than keen to have me as a guest on the show, and is even less keen for Willie to keep engaging with me now.

To give two examples, he’d been saying that the British executed over 100 surrendered prisoners in Poverty Bay. I had to ring up to remind him that it was a loyalist Maori, Rapata Wahawaha who did the shooting (as utu for a tribal feud) — in defiance of British policy.

He also tried rather pathetically to minimise the Taranaki genocide of the Moriori by saying it was a Pakeha captain that took them to the Chathams.

I had to remind him of three tiny details:

  1. The Taranaki tribesmen hijacked his ship!
  2. Even if it had been a legitimate charter, does that mean the captain knew they planned to murder all the men, women and children who welcomed and cared for them when they arrived?
  3. Even if he had been a willing accomplice to genocide, he would have been one rogue Pakeha among 900 Maori — how would that implicate the Crown?

Anyway Willie, if you’re reading this, don’t get angry, get even — with facts this time, not insults.

Do get writing soon, because my next post won’t be this namby-pamby.

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46 thoughts on “Where’s Willie?

  1. How ironic, , , The question goes out “wheres Wilie?” as Gallows Pole from Led Zeppelin plays on.

    My answer is who cares, I mean really.

  2. Come on JA you can’t call this a victory, facts, against a couple of half educated comedy DJs, you will need to draw swords with bigger guns than a couple of radio entertainers, to get some traction for the political shift we all desperately need.

  3. In the news today another $5 million ‘settlement’ paid for by us today to BOP Maori Ngati Pukenga.

    The ‘Iwi’ claim that the crown attacked them without provocation in 1864 and the tribe or sub-tribe were subsequently stripped of all of their land.

    Findlayson has agreed that this is what happened. Why do I have doubts??

    Does anyone know the history of this ‘iwi’?

    1. Mike I have just had a look at the Sims report. (pages 17-22)
      They seemed to be quite clear that all grievances as a result of the Tauranga confiscations including those of the loyal Natives were addressed in 1868.

  4. It seems that maori can come out with anything now and get compensation for it. Not one politician will stand up and say “find me the evidence of such atrocities?”
    We are indeed led by a spineless political class whose only interest is to appease separatist maori with hundreds of millions of tax payers money, plus so many other hidden benefits.
    Separatists like Turia keep carping on about wanting maori (and now she puts PI’s into the equation too) to be treated differently than all else because they are suffering the most. I ask and who’s fault is that Tiriana? And to achieve this she pulls the race card as always to gain traction from pusillanimous politicians and media.
    Willie said only the other week in the Truth about them who pull the race card so many times are the real racists. Yet it’s him and his very openly racist Turia mate who who must say it hundreds of times a day to shut opposing views to hers down.
    I feel Willie and JT and all the other seperatists have their tails up and gone to ground laughing in recent weeks because JK has done a deal that we have (as yet) no knowledge of. The state assets are going through and no protests from maori. Even worse they are reticent and happy.
    A deal has been struck to stop the protests and and wouldn’t mind betting it’s worth hundreds of millions plus enmass town, city, Island name changes without consultation of the populace.
    As always the fait accompli corruption moves on with a minority of a minority oligarchy having all the say while the rest of the country sleepwalks into maorification of all we know.
    I have been saying on many a forum for many years that New Zealand need real and proper TV debate where the audience isn’t hand picked by left wing communists or separatists. To be fair the audience should be made up of a cross section of the population and 14% would be maori while the rest are made of whatever NZ is now made up of.
    Instead we have TV debates where one person may represent 85% of the population and the other five or six separatists representing less than 8% in truth, leading the less savvy of watchers thinking the majority are pro treaty.
    We are indeed living in the age of the gutless man who has been indoctrinated over decades by political correctness and made to never express his true feeling for fear of offending a minority who have hijacked his very own country.

  5. Good on you, John, for not letting go with regard to Willie and his nonsense. I looked inside Truth last week and saw that Willie hadn’t responded so didn’t buy it. It’s good to know that there will be a response even if it will be another nonsense on his part.

    All of this keeps our cause in the spotlight even if it is in the dubious Truth paper.

  6. We should all march to Parliament with placards “HONOUR THE TREATY” because we are not getting what was agreed!

  7. Message for Mike Kuipers von Lande and Derejk.

    As you are probably aware Sunlive are currently running a poll on the name changes for North & South Islands. I was puzzled by the results which are currently running 73% in favour where most of the other polls done have been the reverse. I have discovered that it is easy to vote multiple times on Sun Live by simply logging out and back in to the site. I have contacted them advised them of this anomoly and suggested that their current poll may well be unreliable. I will post their response if I receive one.

    1. I thought something was up with that, Graeme! Especially with the number of equality advocates here in BOP the figures did not add up to me!

      Thank you for your bit of detective work.

      I look foward to hearing what they have to say about it.

    2. Yeah, you are right Graeme. Probably the mafia have had their footsoldiers busy in the weekend on their computers (likely free from some maori only grant).

    1. Yep, Maoris are winning a lot of the races to the bottom. Somehow not their fault though, apparently. As JA has said previously, part of their problem is the modern lack of any good role models, which they (we) once had. Football players and hip-hop “artists” simply won’t do.

  8. On-line polls are a waste of time…easy to fraud..

    simply clear your cookies – tools – clear recent history – refresh page – vote again – clear recent history – refresh page – vote again – etc

    Kinda’ wonder with all this drama with treaty (??) we are missing
    something…JK very keen to see China investment in NZ for better or worse..my call is ten years and most of northland will be Chinese leased
    maori land. Include beaches, forrests and seabed. The money will be
    too hard for greedy iwi to resist.

  9. On a slightly different tack; below is today’s post by Amy Brooke on her “100 Days” blog. As someone here pointed out earlier, she thinks the same as we do about ending Maori privilege and the weakness of politicians in giving in to ridiculous iwi demands. She is also opposed to the rush towards “gay marriage”. I don’t have a problem with that, because I think so-called “marriage equality” is utter nonsense. However I am aware that not everyone here agrees, so there needs to a way of joining forces on the issues of common concern only. I am not sure how that can be done, but we DO need the numbers that Amy Brooke, NZCPR, Colin Craig et al can bring. I recommend reading this post; the inescapable fact is that those on the liberal side of all these issues use almost identical techniques to foist their agendas onto the rest of us:

    http://100daystodemocracy.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/gay-marriage-ignorant-or-agenda-driven-mpsa-disgracefully-hijacked-process/

    By the way, some people here need to realise that in some European countries, notably France & UK, many of the most active and prominent opponents of “marriage equality” are themselves gay.

  10. Dane MP labelled racist after NZ visit
    NICOLE PRYOR

    Last updated 08:55 08/04/2013

    Hate mail from angry New Zealanders is landing on the desk of a Danish MP who ridiculed her Maori welcome.

    Right-wing politician Marie Krarup dubbed the powhiri an “uncivilised” ritual, and marae a “grotesque” mark of multicultural worship.

    Krarup, in an opinion piece in Danish newspaper Berlingske Tidende, said she was shocked to be welcomed by a dancing, barely-clothed man, instead of a handshake or salute.

    “When we came to a naval base, we were not received with a handshake or salute by uniformed men as usual,” she wrote.

    “No, we were welcomed with a Maori dance ritual, with a half-naked man in grass skirt, shouting and screaming in Maori.”

    Krarup, who was in New Zealand on a defence committee visit in March, said the man performed “strange rituals and poked his tongue out”.

    She said she felt like an “idiot” when giving a hongi, and was relieved to catch a big kiss on the cheek by one man instead of the traditional nose touching.

    When it was time to sing, Krarup said the waiata sounded like a Danish children’s song about a happy ladybird.

    She said it was accompanied by a “kindergarten-teacher-guitar-accompaniment”.

    The marae, or “Maori temple”, was a form of cultural self-destruction, according to Krarup.

    “It was decorated with God-figures with angry faces and large erect penises,” she said.

    “It’s a mystery to me how the poor naval officers could endure both the ceremony and the surroundings.”

    Krarup told Berlingske Nyhedsbureau she had received hate mail from New Zealanders calling her a racist, and insisted she did not look down upon Maori.

    She did, however, question why “European New Zealanders” were not able to “defend their culture”, reported the Copenhagen Post.

    “It sounds like I look down on the Maori,” Krarup told Berlingske.

    “Indeed I’m not, even though the culture is very foreign to me.”

    Danes living in New Zealand were appalled at the comments.

    Dorthe Siggaard, 49, who has lived in New Zealand for 12 years, said Krarup does not represent what Danes think about Maori culture.

    “Of course this is embarrassing – we are not proud of these comments,” she said.

    “Krarup is against anything to do with Islam, immigration – anything. It is no surprise she has made comments about indigenous people.”

    Krarup is a member of parliament for the Danish People’s Party, which is described as a very right-wing party by political commentators.

    Its goals were to protect the freedom and cultural heritage of the Danish people, and limit immigration.

    Borge Petersen, the Danish ambassador in Canberra, said he had been welcomed to New Zealand by powhiri several times.

    “These events as well as the specific event during the welcome ceremony referred to by Mrs Krarup reflects for me the sincere wish of the New Zealand hosts to bid me welcome in the best possible way, namely through a Maori ceremony of welcome that has been a tradition for generations,” he said.

    “At the same time I feel the ceremony reflects the traditions and culture of New Zealand in general and thus gives me an insight into the history of New Zealand. All in all I see this as positive.”

    He said he had the “deepest respect” for people of Maori descent.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8521904/Dane-MP-labelled-racist-after-NZ-visit

    1. Yes, as soon as anyone – fully justified in my opinion – dares to criticise anything Maori, they are instantly labelled as racists, rednecks, right-wing etc. and feel free to send hate-mail. And an awful lot of people buy into that, especially if the critic is a foreigner. Very slimy, and nothing for NZ to be proud of.

  11. Personally I wonder how many overseas people actually agree with the Danish MP. Standing back with a detached mind, I can actually see where she is coming from. The difference is that she chose to be forthright and speak exactly as she saw it regardless of any offence, whereas most would just keep it to themselves but privately think exactly the same.

    I always cringe when overseas dignitaries rub noses with our ‘Maori’ and I’m sure they only do it because they have been told it is expected. It really gets into their personal space and I would refuse to do it.

    Perhaps it’s good manners to put up with these things and I’m sure our politicians have to endure certain discomforts (as well as food and drink) when they go to third world countries.

    Do Australians and visiting dignitaries have Aborigine traditions thrust at them at every turn?

    1. More people should say what they really think, and then maybe some of these absurd practices would be reviewed. Personally, I find hakas grotesque, and I made a pledge to myself years ago to never accept a “hongi”. I find the idea physically revolting; a handshake is perfectly fine. Like most things Maori, money is at the root of all this, because they do nothing for nothing. We pay for these performances.

    1. An excellent article, Trina, and a real eye opener. We always knew it though didn’t we but it doesn’t make it any more tolerable when we see it all written down like that. It’s time something was done to put us more in line with the way Australia and America hands Charitible Trusts, especially Maori ones seeing we are having to pay out ever more funds for things ‘Maori’. These very financial Trusts should be helping ‘their people’ – not the rest of us continually digging deep into our pockets.

    2. I posted a reply at NZCPR suggesting that all income received by Charitable Trusts should be taxed with a tax deduction provided against that income for any charitable distribution made.
      This I think would sort the problem.

  12. Send the great Danish politician Marie Krarup a message telling her you agree with her comments on the maori BS inflicted on all foreign officials: dub dub dub.mariekrarup.dk/33303272 If only our spineless gutless oxygen thieves were half as good as her!

  13. It was on TV One’s news tonight. Stupid Paul Moon came on and said that Maori culture was an accepted part of NZ culture. Well hello, Paul Moon – I don’t accept it and have always bemoaned having to sit through powhiris, karakias and goodness knows what other ‘Maori’ nonsense everywhere I go.

    No-one has asked us if we want it to be part of our culture. It is creeping into every aspect of our lives now without a by your leave. I might have been able to tolerate some of it once upon a time but now that we are saturated with it, I’m off it big time and don’t want a bar of it.

    It has been inflicted on us and I object and have done for quite some time. Of course there will be those who have been indoctrinated in the schooling system who will think it is great and part of ‘us’.

  14. Yes Helen, I saw it on the TV news and then they wheeled out another self proclaimed “maori culture expert” to criticize Marie Krarup. And then those pathetic sniveling white women. Ohhh, I wish they asked me!!!
    Go to http://www.mariekrarup.dk/33303272 and tell Marie how much you agree.

    1. Thanks for the link Derejk – I have added my message of support for Marie Krarup. What an embarrassment this is for New Zealand.

  15. I just have, Derejk and I hope many others will. She needs congratulating for bringing it out in the open. We could be amazed at how many actually agree with her. Even though she apologised, she still can’t understand why we would want something like that to welcome people. I’m sure she’s genuinely puzzled but she doesn’t realise we haven’t had a choice. It’s been foisted upon us.

    I was impressed that Colin Craig came out and said Maori welcomes should be optional. Great idea. We could vote it down every time. It should only be done at ‘Maori events’ – that’s where it belongs.

    1. Making such ceremonies optional is the ideal solution but don’t hold your breath. I don’t agree with Krarup’s politics in total but I do agree 100% with her stance on the greeting she got. I think I would have turned my back or walked around them and as for rubbing noses, do me a favour; it’s a great way to spread disease, shaking hands is bad enough

      1. The concept and the practice of the hongi is utterly repulsive. Especially so as I was informed once that you are supposed to inhale the other person’s breath. Ughhh – no thanks.

  16. What is the definition of ‘optional’? Does this mean the visitor can choose?

    Personally I agree totally with Krarup, I find the whole debacle an offensive embarrassment. A half naked man screaming and grunting with staring, bulging eyes and a tongue poking in and out is ludicrous. This was a custom from primitive times when armed war parties would face off and scream obscenities at each other in an attempt to intimidate and out-macho the other. There may be a place for it for the match start All Blacks, but to ‘welcome’ visiting dignitaries in this manner is a bad, sad joke.

    If Maori want to carry on this practice on their Marae, fine. But not when it is supposed to be on behalf of all NZ. That is an abuse of position and process.

    I am also over, like way, way over the haka being done at the drop of a hat. It is simply pathetic. People are so culturally stupid that they have the ignorance and lack of respect to fire one off at the most inappropriate times – like at the funeral of Paul Holmes who had explicitly stated how fed up he was with hakas and Maori ‘culture’ being rammed down throats.

    1. ‘Optional”? Yes, why not let the visitor choose? A simple tick or cross next to the question “would you like a Maori greeting….?” would suffice but it’s so simple I doubt it’ll ever come to pass. Dignitaries (and even tourists) could be shown a DVD of proceedings to enlighten them on their way to NZ and then the choice is theirs. Although having said that perhaps it could be used to gain the attention of those who fail to declare foodstuffs and the like, that might wake their ideas up.

      As for Paul Holmes’ funeral; what a disgrace. Maori so often demand respect for their own culture but rarely do they return the favour to others.

      1. I don’t think visitors should even be subjected to the embarrassment of having to “choose” such an absurd spectacle. There would be too much subtle – or not so subtle – pressure to “choose” or “request” this garbage whatever their true desires. I remember when the Pope – not Benedict, not sure who, visited and was subjected to almost TWO APPALLING HOURS of seemingly endless Maori groups “performing”. He was an old man, and it was outdoors in mid-summer, so it must have been torture. And these Maori oafs didn’t care – it was all about them. And when Bill Clinton came with his daughter and stood on the tarmac at Auckland airport in the blazing sun while Maori and Pacific groups went on & on & on with their boring primitive displays. Clinton was clearly tired and unimpressed and eventually spoke (inaudibly) to an aide, who quickly escorted them away to the waiting cars while the Maori half-wits carried on undeterred. On both occasions I felt mortified at the utter lack of regard shown for the comfort & wellbeing of these visitors. It was disgraceful, and I have never forgotten either occasion.

  17. Totally agree John. And for some reason when a famous person arrives here, the half minute of TV coverage seems to focus more on the maori stoneage ballet than the famous arrival!

  18. I have heard people say that there are no full blooded Maori in nz and that they are all to some extent part European.
    Well looking and listening to the news in the last couple of days it seems to me that a lot of European people ( for no other reason than they live in nz ) think that they are part Maori. I heard things like ” that’s the way WE do things here and if you don’t like it don’t come here “. ( referring to the Krarup comments ).
    Wonderful so, if you don’t like rubbing noses with complete strangers if you don’t like being yelled at and challenged after a very long and tiring international flight, well don’t bother bringing your trade delegations here to try and purchase OUR products especially those manufactured by our brown brothers who you have decided to shun.
    ( Yes I know , I can’t think of any either. )
    Now my father was a coal miner in Scotland and he was as black as the ace of spades ( most of the time ) so don’t you dare call me a racist.

  19. This from Prof Ranginui Walker, it does show what the agenda has been in the education system for a few decades

    “In opting to maintain their own culture, M􀀃ori developed a two-stage strategy. The first stage
    involved proposals for ameliorating the alienating effect of mainstream education by pressing
    for the inclusion of M􀀃ori knowledge in the curriculum. This task preoccupied M􀀃ori
    intellectuals for eight decades of the twentieth century. Although largely accomplished, it is
    still a work in progress. The second stage, begun in 1980, was marked by M􀀃ori initiatives to
    take control over their own education from pre-school through to the tertiary (post
    compulsory) level. This too is work still in progress.

  20. I would say, Owen, that they just make it up as they go along and will continue to do so. How on earth can we be so stupid as to let this happen? It doesn’t say much for our intelligence does it.

    I’m glad this has happened and we must now seek every opportunity to have an open debate, leading eventually I hope, to all this ‘Maori nonsense’ becoming optional and then it can just fade away. Wishful thinking I know!!

    1. Helen, I do not think this has happened because we are stupid.

      I think it has happened because as citizens we have :

      1. been kept out of the process and decisions that have had implications for our country, and therefore have not undertood the seperatist agenda’s or how far reaching the implications of those agenda’s would be.

      2. have naivley had too much faith that our M.P’s over all these years would be representing all NZers fairly and making the right decisions by us all and the country’s future.

      3. been mislead and directly lied to by MP’s.

      4. been supressed by the ‘cultural safety’ police with verbal abuse and threats to our jobs/carreers for speaking against it.

      5. been railroaded and walked over on the Treaty and other contentious political issues, which has created apathy and an overwhelming sense of powerlessness among citizens.

      6. people at the reins of our country who are blatent criminals and traitors making policies that directly serve their self interests.

      7. a country signed up to the the United Nations which is also backing up all Iwi demands (including having the Treaty placed in our constitution), effectively over-riding our countries democracy and fiddling around with countries policies so they fit into its warped ideologies.

      1. I agree with all you have to say, Trina, but I still think that if someone like me can see the wood for the trees, why can’t many others. I too have been fed all of what you have said, but I have always resisted and looked beyond what I’m told. I have been absolutely against all the racism for years and have seen it ever increasing to the saturation point we now have.

        This is where too many NZers really are stupid. They believe what they are told, or lay down and let it all wash over them because they are afraid to stand up and be counted. Perhaps I should use the word ‘weak’ ‘lack back bone’ in there.

        If more had said enough is enough long ago, maybe we could have done something to halt the spread but it’s now become so ingrained in too many and it’s going to be a hard job to get rid of it, if we ever can now.

        We mustn’t let Marie’s words go without demanding a debate on the whole issue. She has given us a wonderful opportunity and we must squander yet another chance.

      2. Awesome response, Helen!

        What you have just said says, that all of the points that I have set out amount to excuses that create a defeatist mentality which leads to ‘head in the sand’ syndrome and inactivity.

        The points I set out promote the fantasy that the problem is too big and complicated for us to overcome in our capacity as citizens.

        Therefore, we need to create an environment that is empowering and generates motivation and assertive action.

        I think we need to do some brainstorming.

  21. Dr Ranginui Walker has a most unusual maori geneology for a person who considers himself an expert on all things maori

    “The distinguished author and activist Dr Ranginui Walker (Whakatōhea) is of Māori and Lebanese descent, and his family have further intermarried. The upper photo shows his wedding in 1953 to Deidre, who is of European descent. On the left are Deidre’s parents, Isaac and Molly, and on the right Ranginui’s parents, Wairata and Francis. The lower photo shows one of the couple’s children, Dr Michael Walker, with his Thai wife, Ratana, and their children Leilani and Punahamoa.

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