Willie Jackson is still hiding from me in Truth, though I see he has plenty of time to write a column abusing Danish MP Marie Krarup as racist (5 times), stupid (4), ignorant, arrogant, and a nut who attracts rednecks (2).
(His whole argument is that Krarup is racist because Maori welcomes are popular with tourists. Of course they’re popular. All freak shows are popular. People on holiday always enjoy a good laugh. But that doesn’t mean they respect the people who perform them.)
As promised, it’s now time to up the ante on Willie and reveal his true colours.
Last week he got a free run on Seven Sharp and said some typically scary things in defence of a Maaori demand to take possession of a non-Maaori cemetery.
The scariest was his impression of Mad Bob Mugabe when he said farmers should walk off their land and give the farms back to Maaori.
If we did things Willie’s way, this is what we’d become.
His exact quote.
This is a staggering indictment on Willie and all those Treatygaters who would blithely set aside democracy for their own ends.
Willie using the old Griever trick of using the improved value of assets — improved by the Pakeha, with little help from Maaori.
Why should they get the value of hydro dams they had no hand in designing?
Here he goes again. Why is the South Island worth $18 billion? Because the settlers applied their brains, blood, sweat and tears to make it so.
Their knowledge of grassland farming. Their animals. Their wheat. Their labour.
Is there any gratitude to Pakeha for that? Is there ever any gratitude to Pakeha for allowing Maaori to bypass 3000 years of evolution and join the modern world?
When Willie’s Maaori ancestors sold the South Island, they sold it fair and square at the going rate — willing seller, willing buyer. They were pleased to get what they got, and if they wasted it that’s no one’s fault but their own.
All those trees they sold were worthless to them, because they had no clue how to turn a profit from them. They knew nothing of sheep, or wool, or foresty or wheat.
The settlers did. But before they could realise their profit, they had to work incredibly hard. No sitting around smoking dope and collecting rents from inherited land for our brave pioneers.
And the land the Maaori retained soon became as valuable afterwards as the whole lot was before. Win/win.
Willie and I agree on this one.
And because there are two radically different views of history, I say: teach both.
Come on Willie, time to reply to my questions.
treatygate.wordpress.com 
Good one John !
Why can Willie get on Seven Sharp but not John Ansell, wouldnt that be great!
I challenged them to put me on with him. No reply.
Just shows you how the dice is loaded.
Every one email Seven Sharp to get John on for reply to Willie, only takes a moment good site to deal with.
Yes, great idea – the address is below for you to drop a message to as well . . .
sevensharp@tvnz.co.nz
Hi Carol.
Observation.
I find the ability of others to come to the aid of other commenters on this site a very refreshing and positive thing and this ever forming cohesion exhibited on this blog recently seems to me at least that the cause *Together New Zealand* is starting to gain traction.
crazyhorse nsw Appreciate your posts and keep it up good people 🙂
Brilliant. This is what needs to come out. Ramp it up, John!
Keep at him, John. I agree – he has time to write his columns etc but hasn’t yet replied to you.
I really can’t believe he can actually come out with the statements he’s made. His cheek is mind boggling. It’s amazing that he can keep a straight face when he bleets his inanities.
In the current issue of Truth, he goes on about how every just loves ‘Maori’ culture and there should be much more of it. Goodness me, we are just so saturated with it at the moment that one wonders how we can have any more. It really does my head in these days just observing it and I try and blank it out each time, which seems to be all the time.
He says what he says because he can. You, me and any other “white mofo” would be hung out to dry for airing our opinions. Sometimes I have to ask myself if there is any hope for racial equality in NZ (or anywhere, for that matter) and what of democracy? My next purchase is to be The Corruption of NZ Democracy as the Twisting of The Treaty was mind boggling. Most people don’t believe you when you quote from it.
Dumbarses.
One eyed Willie…….Like all one eyed Willies, this one is lacking in the brains department and as the name suggest is a total tool!
He makes some really out there statements but can never back them up with fact. Good on you John, get struck into this guy and his criminal mate JT (did you see JT on Campbell Live re the wheel Clamp he removed and then stole it?).
Yes John keep on at one eyed willy then he will be seen by many more for what he really is.
A “one eyed Willy”…most are and thats exactly what he is….no further explanation needed.
Asked whether he was happy to see the cloak return to China after its time on display in New Zealand, Sharples said treasures were never owned, and could be returned.
“There is no permanency in Maori culture about taonga,” he said.
“The idea is that they can be lent or given and we don’t have a word to own, our word is to be in possession of. That is why it is normal for very important taonga to be lent and to be returned at certain times.
“I’m very happy that they’re lending it back to us, and then the people will decide whether they want to lend it back again.
“A gift to us is, it’s a taonga, and nobody really owns a taonga.”
The cloak was expertly made, with each feather woven individually, Sharples said “but it’s the mana that its had, in its journey, which is the really important thing”.
Asked whether he was happy to see the cloak return to China after its time on display in New Zealand, Sharples said treasures were never owned, and could be returned.
“There is no permanency in Maori culture about taonga,” he said.
“The idea is that they can be lent or given and we don’t have a word to own, our word is to be in possession of. That is why it is normal for very important taonga to be lent and to be returned at certain times.
“I’m very happy that they’re lending it back to us, and then the people will decide whether they want to lend it back again.
“A gift to us is, it’s a taonga, and nobody really owns a taonga.”
“I’m very happy that they’re lending it back to us, and then the people will decide whether they want to lend it back again.”
I hear Indians are now proclaiming that the term “maori giver” has replaced the term “Indian giver”
Has anyone read the Rod Vaughn article on NBR today?
“WHY ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’ PARTY COULD TRIGGER POLITICAL EARTHQUAKE”
It is behind their paywall and I don’t subscribe.
The words “racist rednecks” coming from WJ’s mouth cracks me up, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. How do clowns such as WJ get airtime but anyone with an opposing/sensible view doesn’t? There appears to be a serious lack of balance in NZ’s MSM and this needs to be addressed.
The more I read about the shafting of NZ the more I think it’s time for change and that time, hopefully, isn’t too far off.
Willie Jackson’s views disgust me. He is an arsehole and I can no longer see any real point in engaging him, because the dice are loaded in his favour anyway. Best to use the old military tactic: when a position is too hard to attack, just skirt round it and move forward, leaving it isolated.
I don’t agree with teaching “both views” of our history. That just leads to confusion and is self-cancelling. Better to drive hard for real history to be reinstated by challenging the crap revisions, so that the brainwashing of the past 30 or so years can be negated.
You raise good points Johnp145.
Graeme, I seriously hope it does. We cannot continue going down this road any more. I will not live under apartheid and neither will my children or my grandchildren. I simply will not put up with it. The time has come to make a stand and send the racists packing back under their rocks to live out their lives in darkness where they belong.
So Pix.
I have been saying since the late 1970’s that I will not live under this increasingly oppressive climate. I have spent these decades arguing the point with anyone who would listen and vast hordes who didn’t want to. I have seen many who agreed with me either openly or covertly, leave these shores to get away from it. I have had many more bury their heads in the sand and tell me to shut up.
At every election since the early 1980’s my first priority has been to vote for the party who either promised or seemed most likely to rein in this evil and turn things around. Every time the party I voted for either failed to gain power or broke their vow and continued the plunder.
30 + years later, despite my vow not to live under racist oppression, here I still am.
I have never had (or more truthfully, created) the opportunity to do what JA is now doing. Thank God he has.
But where to from here? No one should be in any doubt that this will be a long and very nasty fight. And we all need to commit ourselves to it. We will need to commit ourselves to take to the streets and do the marches on Wellington. We will need to commit ourselves to take to the streets and confront the racists when they do the same to maintain the status quo and defend their theft. It will need to take priority over our jobs, careers, businesses, education and families. And not just once. We will need to continue this over and over and over until our country is returned to a colour blind non-racist state where all have equal rights and responsibilities. And then we will to need to commit to eternal vigilance to ensure it remains so and is not hijacked once again by the latest reincarnation of evil.
If we do not genuinely commit to this then we should either leave or resign ourselves to living uncomplainingly as second class citizens under an increasingly dictatorial regime. These are the choices. No one should pretend there are any others.
Hear hear. Except I prefer a short fight to a long one. There’s no need to take years.
My plan calls for a single-issue party with one not negotiable policy…
Any party which wants our help to form a government must implement a referendum on a colourblind state within three months of election day, and finish implementing the results of that referendum within three months of the referendum.
If 5-10% of voters do what over 90% of the people at my meetings say they’ll do, and vote for Together New Zealand, then the Waitangi Tribunal, the Maori seats, Te Puni Kokiri, Whanau Ora and the rest of the Apartheid Aotearoa apparatus will be dismantled by mid-2015.
Then we can all go and do something more enjoyable.
Johnp145: In my position where the mainstream media ignore me, I believe it’s vital to engage with anyone – especially someone with his own radio show and newspaper column and who is one of the main TV channel’s main go-to guys on Griever Maori issues.
I think it’s important to be seen to stand up to and knock over the likes of Willie. If they can wheel up someone with more gravitas, fine – bring them on too.
As to my suggestion that we teach both histories, I mean both points of view. There will always be opposing points of view on everything political. Children will see that sooner or later, so I say show them sooner.
The purpose of education is to teach kids to think. Not to be clones of the prevailing political master, but to assess the evidence and make up their own minds.
I don’t think we should be afraid of that.
John….you need to go over to here and respond….your input required asap!
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/not-debating-constitution.html
Every one should read this blog, NOT DEBATING THE CONSTITUTION, if only to read the comments by Morgan (GOD) frey, this guy is the only person who knows whats going on and anyone who doesnt agree with him should not have a say, or at least not as much as him any way, i have never read any thing from some one so arrogant,this epitomese maori ignorance at its peak.
Done it. I challenged Godfery and Dame Claudia and any other pseudo-historian they care to name to an Actual Treaty Debate.
No response yet. Funny that.
Good to see Chris Trottersky turning this into a cross-spectrum movement.
Morgan Godfrey has his own blog for those that are interested.
http://mauistreet.blogspot.co.nz/
If Willie jackson was in the UK he’d be a called a champagn socialist and would most certainly never get any air time. This man is delusional and the quintessential racist he proports to detest.
Freedom of speech and democracy are an alian concept to this ignoramus, as he and his ilk are championing the plunging this country headlong into a seperatist state where only one small part of society get all the benefits for the colour of their skin.
White New Zealanders still won’t even discuss this topic and feel this is all going to go away or sort itself out. They think it’s someone elses problem and their say means nothing.
Only the other day at work I was in a room with 4 white native NZers and the issue cropped up on our TV screen. I told them in the room that soon we’ll have to learn te reo maori to get a job in a government department and sign allegiance to the treaty of waitangi. They collectively said now that’s taking it too far and will never happen. I reminded them that’s what you said about owning water 5 years ago and now it’s on the books.
On that they refused to discuss it and walked out. One said the old cliche I’ve heard many times before in my 11 years in NZ “If you don’t like it then go back home”. I laughed it off as best I can, but think to myself of how weak they are in attacking me when they are too cowardly to even start asking questions about what’s happening to the country their fathers and grandfathers built.
I believe these very people are a microcosm of New Zealand and something stops them from standing up to be counted.
Unfortunately, us Brits who see what’s happening when we come here that Kiwis have grown up with, it is us (easier targets) who are attacked and called winging poms and told to go home if we don’t like it by the very people we are trying to encourage to stand up and be counted.
Marvin, I admire the way that you and Mike Kuipers Van Lande, both reasonably new immigrants to this country can see and do speak out on the slide to separation that is be-devilling this country. Your voices are very important as you come and see the situation as it is, while the bulk of NZers are akin to the frog in slowly heating water. Well done.
I agree with you, Don. I too admire the likes of Marvin, Mike and others who try to point out the all too obvious reasons for the problems in this country. I do deeply regret what they have to endure by the unenlightened – or is it heads in the sand people this country has far too many of. These people will be ones who display shock/horror when everything finally comes to pass unless they suddenly wake up from their ignorant apathy.
Keep up the good work Marvin, Mike and others who have come into this country. You are the ones who can see the wood from the trees and need to spell it out loudly and clearly to those who cannot. You know you are right so please do not let the ignorant/apathetic ones deter you.
Good on you Marvin. I have a friend who was very similar to me in the anti-race based privileges department. He hated it and always complained. Suddenly, his only daughter is engaged to a 1/64th maori and my friend is now singing from the rooftops how she will be given a ticket for the gravy train if they get married. I was so disappointed with him. Of course, in reality, it’s doubtful she will get anything but he sleeps better at night on the assumption that she will. I have also noticed how duncified kiwis attack immigrants when an immigrant questions the race based handouts. I find these dumb kiwis almost as embarrassing as the haka.
PS great reply from JA on Trotters blog.
Marvin
If I had a dollar for every time I had heard or been told “if you don’t like it go back to your own country” I’d be a rich person.
Over the years I’ve come to understand it as either a form of defense mechanism because it protects the utterer from looking at unpalatable possibilities and/or NZ used to be perceived of rightly or wrongly, as being by comparision with the Uk, behind the times. Might also have something to do with NZ’s geographic isolation and the “she’ll be right attitude” but whatever the reason don’t let it get to you and do keep connected with people who have open and inquiring minds – they do exist!
Those of us in government employment have to be very careful when discussing ToW racism for what it is.
I am a colleague of Marvin in a different unit.
For some time I’ve been dropping hints at anyone I thought might be him!
When we finally met it was almost like two British spies meeting up in Nazi Germany.
Very subtle hints, one careful clue leading to another until eventually it clicked.
I long for the day I retire or find another job where I’m not in fear of losing my job for openly expressing my views.
There was a probation officer sacked a few years ago for going to the media and exposing her concerns about being treated as a second class citizen at a maori ceremony.
I have been unemployed in the past and it’s not a position that I ever want to find myself in again.
That’s the only reason I use an alias.
I don’t contribute much to this blog for the simple reason that I see others who are more articulate than me and it’s not very often that I can add to comments already written.
Welcome Warthog. Don’t let the buggers grind you down!
I’m pleased you two finally found each other, Warthog and Marvin.
For some time, readers, I was communicating with both these guys, sworn to secrecy by each as they tiptoed around the other not quite sure if they had the right person, or, if so, whether they could trust them.
For my part, I was concerned I might accidentally reveal the other’s identity before they were ready.
Such is the fear that drips from the walls of their particular workplace, and the risk of dismissal if they are found to be at odds with the approved culture of institutional racism.
It’s for people like Marvin and Warthog that I feel driven to do this campaign. It’s outrageous that they should be in fear of their jobs for exercising their lawful right of free speech.
John…
Can I suggest that you set up a “Tip Line” like the one Cameron Slatter operates on his Whale Oil blog. You may well get a lot of useful intelligence for the cause from those working in the inner sanctums of govt.
I was disgusted with Godfreys comments too but unfortunately Mr Trotter must have deemed my post too right wing. and didn’t allow it.
Have another go, Graeme. He might just have gone out for the evening and be a bit behind with his moderating. i doubt whether Chris would ban you.
http://mauistreet.blogspot.co.nz/ comment on his site the reading is incredible everything from ranting about susan Devoy to name changes of north and south islands, he is the MAN, get stuck in i intend to,
Hey Marvin, we have a couple of friends from UK one of whom got up and walked away calling us racist when we discussed the TOW Tribunal with them.
Talking w him again when he simmered down it appears that he felt ‘guilty’ at all the contact the British had setting up colonies from days when the sun never set on the British empire and how they ‘took over’ colonies with little thought for any existing peoples.
He said that the British did so much ‘damage’ to the world (including NZ based on what’s written in our school book history) where colonists are ‘bad’ and existing populations ‘harmonious’ with god like Deities as leaders.
They either don’t know or ignore that Hobson and the Treaty reflected changing views in England at that time and actively tried to ensure Maori views, interests and culture weren’t trodden on.
It succeeded in both aiding Maori and bringing democracy and equality to NZ as you know but many don’t see this; just get the guilt by association rammed into us by the way our history is taught and the statistics that show part-Maori at the bottom end of policies in excess of their % of population.
There’s two sides to any coin of course and the reasons for ALL peoples at the bottom end of statistics are similar . . . often lack of education, low income, unemployment, broken families, poor motivation and looking for an easy way out of paid employment . . . applicable to all not ‘just’ part Maori.
Our Brit friend found it difficult to believe this back then and still does even after we’ve given them heaps of publications on the TOW and the pre/post colonisation world.
(Hope you understand my meaning as can’t find the right words to explain better)
Carol – I while ago I read a book called “The Whole Earth is….The Tomb Of English People”. Author is Duncan Balmer, Published by TOL.
It is an excellent read, the author was born in England, spent many years living in various parts of the world and at the time of writing the book, lived in NZ.
To quote the book blurb…”it is a celebration of all the English have achieved, what they can be proud of and how they have changed the world.”
I wholeheartedly recommend it, especially for people of English descent who feel ashamed or being made to feel ashamed of all that England did particularly over the last few hundred years. It puts it and all the bleeding heart cringing whiners into perspective.
Get a copy and pass it onto those friends you mention. It might give them a whole new viewpoint.
Carol, One reason in my opinion, that part Maori are shown to have higher percentages of people in the negative stastistics is because we nationally have patronised them. Handouts, welfare, priviledges and talk of victimhood do not a ‘strong people make’.
There is plenty of evidence that part Maori people can hold their own in any field, if they want to and have the talent. The well documented war histories show how well they did and using the same equipment, wearing the same uniforms, eating the same food and using the same command and control systems as the rest of the New Zealand forces in both WWI and WWII.
I presume the MP’s during WWII and since who believe that people of part Maori descent needed some ‘positive discrimination’ were well meaning. However human nature and the American experience shows that positive discrimination over time does not work.
Further, tribal affiliation is fine for those who wish to folllow their ancestry but tribal privilidge is the road to tears. Those part maori who brush aside their European ancestry as if it does not exist are blind to the reality.
Unless we as a nation tackle the welfare dependency of a large slice of our working age population of which a large number are part Maori, there is very little chance of improving the negative stastistics.
So called Colonisation was the best thing that could have happened to the Maori people. Welfare the worst.
Totally agree Don; you explain it well. I hv to confess that once I was in favour of some positive discrimination to help gain education until I realised that it was generally the part-Maori that would have gone on to higher education anyway, without the help of a race based grant, so it didn’t help up skill at all.
(I didn’t agree with lowering the bar to get onto a course, just financial help w course fees I might add).
Maybe we can add ‘political correctness’ (PC) to welfare being the worst impact on Maori the last 15 years or so?
This is where and why the appeasers come in and they are just as bad if not worse than those looking backwards with their hand out (as they make or allow it to happen).
(Thank you Mike re book suggestion).
Don, you have hit the nail completely on the head – your comment is totally correct. I am a 6th generation New Zealander who has worked and lived in Maori communities for over 40 years. Maori I have associated with are perfectly capable of achieving living standards as high as the rest of the population. They are innovative, clever and enjoy a challenge. It is the positive discrimination which keeps Maori at the highest end of the worst statistics by removing their motivation and self-esteem. Proof of this is found in those Maori who leave NZ and make their own way in the real world.
Parental responsibility is being removed as state funded privilege steps in. Giving children free lunches, free ipads and uniforms etc at school is working to make Maori even more dependent and ineffectual in shaping their own lives.
Unfortunately my old country has given way to mass immigration of people who, amongst others, hate the west. The BBC and lots of other media in Britain drive this as ‘good’ for Britain and essential for our economy. The vast majority of my old country are against this mass immigration, but like NZ, are in fear of being labeled racist by the likes of the BBC watching, Guardian reading left wingers lunatics who just love to dilute or get rid of completely our once British culture, and promote this eastern European, north African and middle eastern Islamic surreptitious invasion of our Island. You’ll find that most Brits will tell you what it’s like back home when prompted; and for some, that’s why they left in the first place. I’m afraid your English friend is probably a fan of Tony Blair and is an avid watcher of the BBC and reads the online version of the Guardian or Independent and celebrated the death of Margaret Thatcher.
For them British people I feel disgusted by and it goes to show how far down the pan Britain has gone because of PC driven by left wingers.
Well thanks for the vote of confidence in me. I’m not nearly as articulate or aware as others on this site but I’m doing my best.
However I just want to point out that I am actually a native New Zealander, in that I was born here and this country is the only one I have lived in and call home.
My ancestors (in my case parents) emigrated here separately and from different areas of the world. Like every single person who lives in this country.
Hi Mike and Carol and anyone else who might be interested.
Thank you for posting your experiences, thoughts and ideas. I think that is SO IMPORTANT.
I am going to digress (as I am prone to do) but I found a TED lecture by Mark Pagel which I found very interesting.
It is called “How language transformed humanity”
Check it out!
A couple of quotes from stuff on the Tamihere case:
“She said the waiver was approved to reward Tamihere for his service to Waipareira.
At the end of the day, why did we sign it off? Because the people who are leading our people are deserving, she said.
“We sign off things, we waiver things – we’re about building our leadership. We reward our leadership.
Asked about the subsequent collapse of the development, and the prospect of large losses for Waipareira, Te Hira said: “There are sometimes winners, sometimes losers. That can happen to anyone.”
“According to estimates provided at the meeting by West Harbour’s liquidator, Waterstone Insolvency, Waipareira is facing a loss of $2.2m from its involvement in the development.”
For the full article:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8547265/Tamihere-deserving-but-trust-takes-hit
Why was tax-funded waipareira involved in property development?
I heard Leighton Smith on NewstalkZB last Friday about 11.11am. Leighton read an email regarding the debate on the constitution which is as follows:
“One requires a moot, being a simple fundamental statement. Therefore, I suggest, in this case we must go to the most fundamental question as proposed as following:
“That the constitution of a modern democracy or democratic society must first and foremost absolutely completely guarantee the equality of all the people of that society independent of race or creed or any reference other than “we the people”.
One then requires someone to argue for both the affirmative or the negative of that moot, oddly enough, called the affirmative and the negative. I would suggest that in the mind of any reasonable person the affirmative of the proposed moot is a given. If that basic principal is not argued and proven true or untrue then any further discussion of the said constitution is meaningless.”
Assuming that the discussion of the constitution is necessary, I would add to that moot regarding equality, that the words should include, under one law and that equality should be defined as equality of opportunity rather than outcome.
Carol, this is not a personal attack here I’d just like to quote then ask a question
There’s two sides to any coin of course and the reasons for ALL peoples at the bottom end of statistics are similar . . . often lack of education, low income, unemployment, broken families, poor motivation and looking for an easy way out of paid employment . . . applicable to all not ‘just’ part Maori.
Does the pig make the sty, or vice versa?
In battling these thieves, imo, you cannot use their language or cuddly erroneous ideas. It will fail.
The truth is harsh. Sometimes it’s even racist, but the truth-the whole truth-and nothing but the truth is the ultimate weapon in this case.
Here is Mike Butler from his NZCPR item on March 15th.
“Now here’s the thing, in 2000, at the time of the “Closing the gaps” brouhaha, a paper titled “Maori Socio-Economic Disparity” by Department of Labour senior analyst Simon Chapple marshals evidence that shows, among other things, that disadvantage is more closely tied to age, marital status, education, skills, and geographic location, than it is to ethnicity. Chapple’s conclusions point toward a gap-closing policy that would target pockets of disadvantage defined geographically and perhaps by sub-cultural features, rather than by targeting services to Maori as Maori ”
http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/mike-butler-white-privilege-vs-maori.html
You can read the whole report from Simon Chapple here –
Click to access Maori%20Economic%20Disparity%20Simon%20Chapple.pdf
dondiego
Also with respect, I think Carol’s viewpoint is valid and in my opinion is neither cuddly nor erroneous. There is much information to show that historically working class people with poor conditions generally experienced poorer outcomes.
At the same time, I am sure that individual lifestyle choices definitely impact on outcomes. Eg abstaining from smoking, avoiding recreational drug taking and excessive drinking all can influence life potential.
Not a worry dondiego, a challenge / question is all good espec. as I’m not too clever or articulate . . . took a while to understand yr cryptic reply actually – but BTW did work out what ‘imo’ meant in the end lol!
The point I was trying to make, glad you understood Irene, is that those at the bottom of statistics are generally there for similar reasons IRRESPECTIVE OF RACE.
So it can’t be said that part-Maori are there disproportionally because of race alone….
I’m not making excuses why they’re there because there’s enough ‘successful’ part Maori out there to show it can be done
(remember the days when achiever Maori were mocked as “brown Pakeha” by their peers and others?)
My personal opinion is that we all look at what’s around us and decide whether to drift along (cruising with indifference, just doing the minimum to get by), to sink (not joining in life, it’s all too difficult, can’t be bothered, lazy) or swim (motivated to get somewhere, drive, ambition) and all races and all people choose which option they take.
Unfortunately those that ‘sink’ often look elsewhere or externalise why they are in that situation in life rather than looking within.
A harder life for someone in a family of sinkers to become a swimmer …… but they can do it and then their kids are in a family of swimmers which impacts on them and so on.
Bit of a personal rave but as a member of a minority group myself that’s generally discounted I have thought about being at the bottom of the heap quite a bit.
What minority group are you a member of, Carol? Are you from another country – or do you mean women?
I wasn’t going to go on about it John but a fair enough question as I brought it up. {:-)
I sustained significant injuries from a motor bike accident (not my fault) and attract attention everywhere due to my appearance plus I lost 30% brain function.
There are parallels with Maori statistics (in my view) with ‘my’ minority group as I’ve seen some with a disability extremely angry and abusive due to how they think society regards them – they are partly correct as we are often side-lined – and because they think life is ‘unfair’ and thus owes them… they cause tension and disruption and play the ‘Crip card’ often
and others who ‘power up’ and go on to achieve a life of normalcy and others again who achieve great things.
It’s up to the individual albeit it can be a struggle for some of us 24/7 but never-the-less normalcy can be achieved just a bit differently.
The other comparison as I see it with Maori (or any other minority group) is that whom you associate with either helps to empower or disempower you.
EG: It’s great when bloggers with an opposite view to that commonly spoken here make a constructive comment as it causes us to think (unless we have blinkers on) and they have also thought before they make their comment.
We’d lose their viewpoint if they didn’t feel ‘safe’ to mention it in this format.
This is akin to what you’ve said in the past Ironsides . . .
Lastly, because I attract so many peoples attention I need to be aware of the image I give off as I know that if I get abusive at the attention it can rub off and others disabled get tarred with the image I give.
Maori leaders and activists need to be aware of this too as they have the ability to enhance or divide interracial relationships and how we perceive Maori as they (activists) are the ones often focussed on in the media.
Hope this makes sense . . . as I do rave at times
Carol, thanks for opening up about that. It’s not a rave, it’s valuable.
For someone with only 70% of brain function, you make an awful lot of sense. With 100% you’d be Einstein!
I’d never have guessed from your writing that you were impaired in the slightest (and I certainly don’t share your view that you’re “not too clever or articulate”).
Good on you for pressing on with life regardless. We can all learn from your example – some more than others.
Hi again Carol.
I endorse what you say re disabilities.
I have a slightly different perspective as a parent of a young child with a significant disability.
My son is quite literally missing part of his brain. There is a void in part of his head where an important section of his brain should be.
It is a congenital problem – part of his brain never formed and grew when he was developing in the womb.
As a result of this he has trouble with balance and fine motor skills. He is also about 4 years behind his peers in school.
We have had mixed experiences dealing with this in society.
There are many wonderful people, mostly volunteers we have come across always through word of mouth that have and continue to donate years of their time completely free of charge to assist him, for example in swimming lessons and learning to walk.
Most people we meet and our friends always try to make time and allowances for him.
On the other hand there is the ‘government response’. It has been a saga of appalling disinterest and neglect.
He gets absolutely zero funding for assistance at school, so has to sit in a classroom with people he is years behind, struggling to even understand what is being said by the teacher.
The department of Special Education is staffed by people who don’t give a sh!t about the children they are responsible for providing help for, all they care about is retaining their positions and salaries.
Special Education staff have told us directly that their job is to ensure he gets as little assistance as possible, preferably nothing.
In this they have done a splendid job. They are nothing less than child abusers.
So what is the relevance to this website and aims?
Well I believe I am a fair minded person. There are people worse off than my son. Funding/tax take is limited. If I looked around at society and saw that the money taken by government was being spent wisely and going to those most in need, I would shrug and say, well this is how it is. We just have to suck it up and get on with it.
I would even be Ok if the ‘need’ was due to the persons own stupid actions, as long as they were making an honest effort to climb out of the hole.
But it’s not, is it? (Rhetorical question).
Money is going hand over fist to people deliberately breeding on the DPB, deliberately unemployable and of course the entire griever industry who are all utterly capable of getting off their backsides but choose to leech off the rest of us.
So here I am, having paid tax all my working life (and a large amount of tax it is) and still continuing to do so, never claimed a benefit, paid and still paying huge amounts in ACC levies but never claiming any but a tiny amount back during my working life.
Yet when my son needs some assistance – sorry the kitty is empty – it has and is being given all away to the scum of the universe (to quote MIB).
Yep – I am not happy!
Mike, a friend from the advertising industry has just alerted me to this comment, which had passed me by in the daily torrent.
Your story about your son moved him. We agreed it would make a very persuasive ad one day.
I think I’ll make a post out of it for those who haven’t seen it.
Thanks for sharing it. I regard you as one of the most articulate and perceptive commenters here, and it helps to understand a little more of your motivation.
All the best to you and your son. Let’s see if we can redistribute some of that wasted money to those who really need it.
King Tuheitia now has a Charter.
See here…http://erakablog.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/charter-of-the-maori-king.pdf
In the words of the blog writer “the fake-rhetoric document reeks and stinks of hypocrisy and may be hazardous to your moral well-being”.
Check it out to see how many times the name “Aotearoa” features. You may be surprised.
Interesting what Chris Webster (Tainui) has to say about the illustrious King.
About half way down the post.
http://www.waikatopolitx.com/search?updated-max=2013-04-01T10:06:00%2B13:00&max-results=20&start=5&by-date=false
It is nothing but a torrent of meaningless platitudes and typical Maori self-aggrandisement. What a waste of time. The whole kingitanga “movement” is nonsense, and totally contrary to the intent of the ToW, which unambiguously ceded sovereignty to the Queen of England, leaving no room for a Maori king or queen. It should not be taken seriously, and certainly should not funded by the Crown (us).
Flaming blog structure !! I was of course referring to the Maori “King’s charter”.
Just listened to last weeks Victoria Law School debate on the constitution.
Regarding the elephant in the room John have you got a new supporter in Mathew Palmer?
I couldn’t believe it either – a Palmer supporting democracy.
Hum John.
Joking aside. G and M Palmer have already written a draft Constitution which entrenches the Treaty. It was in the Appendix to the tome Bridled Power. It also appears on the website EmpowerNZ (designed for younger people) to “stimulate and focus” public debate.
Graeme
Tried searching for it, do you have a link?..thanks
Hi Tamati
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/lecturesandforums/thetreatydebates/20120129
Sorry Tamati posted the wrong link before, here’s the right one-
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/constitutional-review%20/audio/2551821/debating-the-constitution-1-what-s-the-problem.asx
Turned on the TV this morning and there was Willie Jackson again. How does he get so much airtime while them who are opposed to his views get zero?
Has anyone noticed that on our TV screens whether it be an advert, TV journalists, political commentators, NZ TV shows or the lotto on Saturday night, they are very dominated by part maoris? Is it me who only notices this or does anyone else see it too? Does one get a look in if they’re not maori? From what I observe I’d expect not.
They have all this on normal terrestrial TV plus they have their own ad hoc TV network for maori only. The maori saturation is everywhere and still no one seems to notice or even ask questions, or are they simply mealy mouthed or too cowardly?
For instance if they make an advert about a NZ product one can almost gurantee that the actors will be maori or PIs. I believe this is Affirmative Action by stealth. I don’t mean 100% maori but most definately the majority of all the protagonists we see.
I think I mentioned on a previous post that my daughter was in university studying journalism and political science. I advised her that to get a job in NZ would it be very difficult because No1, she’s not maori and 2, she’s absolutely not left wing. Maybe this was wrong advice but I believe it’s true of this now maorified by stealth New Zealand.
In future I think this will only get worse and maori and PIs will have first refusal for anything in this country.
I remember Willie only a couple of months ago talking on the radio to JT and he said that if he was a boss and a black fella came for a job with a white fella, but the white fella was more qualified and best suited, Willie said he’d give the black fella the job because he was black.
Willie couldn’t see anything wrong with that, and funny enough there was no reaction via the listening public.
This is a fine example of how much power Willie and his ilk have over us because we’re mostly white; is that he has carte blanche to say whatever racist views he feels at the time (which is all day everyday) with complete impunity.
Just imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and it was say Paul Holmes (may he RIP) or Paul Henry who had said the very same thing only in opposite order. I think we all know it would be the end of their careers.
I ask anyone who reads this to observe what I’m saying and make a count in your own mind of how many maori faces one sees on NZ TV. I think you’ll find it’s a lot more than the pro rata 14% of the population.
Yes Marvin, I notice it all the time. How many adverts telling us of the evils of excess alcohol and family violence always have a non-maori as the culprit?! A while ago, there used to be many Council signs in Manukau with the words “The Face Of The Future” and under those words were two brown faces!! I hope your daughter gets a good job well away from any Govt department. I guess we will likely lose her to Australia? I have a friend who works for a govt department and is totally hamstrung because of having to incorporate “maori culture” into everything. His health will likely suffer from the sheer frustration of this ludicrous exercise.
http://www.elocal.co.nz/View_Article~Id~818~title~ELocaL%20COMMUNITY%20MAGAZINE%20-%20View%20Articles.html
This article above is David Rankin Ngapuhi Chief speaking – a breath of fresh air from the ‘top’ and full of surprise views and essential reading. There’s hope still . . .
(Maybe some hv seen this article as some on this blog have commented on it in Elocal – sorry if we’ve doubled up posting the link).
PS: What on earth does “elephant in the room” mean? The mind boggles . . .
Carol
“Elephant in the room” is an English metaphorical idiom for an obvious truth that is either being ignored or going unaddressed. The idiomatic expression also applies to an obvious problem or risk no one wants to discuss.[2]
It is based on the idea that an elephant in a room would be impossible to overlook; thus, people in the room who pretend the elephant is not there have chosen to avoid dealing with the looming big issue. …Wikipedia
Thanx Tamati
Wat happens to the elephant dung? lol
Bit hard to ignore . . .
Hi Carol
Re: “(Maybe some hv seen this article as some on this blog have commented on it in Elocal – sorry if we’ve doubled up posting the link).”
I personally believe you have nothing to apologise for re above post
yet commend your kind thoughts of perhaps upsetting others.
I can assure you that my ego (just about vanquished now thank you very much :-)) is not upset about this link at all as I believe truth does matter and the general populace does need to be informed of what has / is going on behind the scenes.
I commend both you and everyone else supplying links / information and ALL those good people doing their bit for both New Zealand and common sense in general.
Wishing everyone a great day, go hard and stop for nothing as truth really does matter and it needs to get out there far and wide and very quickly at that.
I see that NBR have run a poll asking whether people would vote for a one law for all party. Like the article written by Rod Vaughn on this issue it is only subscribers that can see it. Anyone know the results?
Just got back from attending a debate put on by the Maxim Institute at the University of Auckland. The discussion was on whether the treaty should be incorporated into a new written constitution. Speakers were Michael Cullen, David Round and Tai Ahu an assistant lecturer from Victoria. David Round was very passionate in his speech, in answering questions and overall I thought presented well. He also managed to get a plug in for “Twisting the Treaty”
Amongst the audience were Don Brash and National MP Paul Goldsmith.
The organisers said that the event was recorded and will be loaded onto their website in due course.
http://www.maxim.org.nz/ is the address.
Meanwhile John Robinson and I were making our presence felt at the second Constitutional Debate at Victoria.
For the second week in a row I got in the first question – to Maria Bargh, who condemned me as a racist after my Aotearoa New Zealand piece led Prime News in February.
Tonight she had the gall to claim that Maori had “minimal representation”.
I asked her by what curious definition of the word minimal she could justify this claim, given that five of the ten party leaders in Parliament are Maori, the Governor-General is Maori, and a disproportionately large percentage of MPs are Maori.
She answered with something irrelevant, which I can’t remember.
John R asked the next question about why our side is not being heard at the top table of these debates. Geoffrey Palmer said we should be heard, but that he didn’t agree with us. That’s fair enough.
But when John put the same question to Dr Carwyn Jones (a red-bearded boyo who pretends on his home page to be “of Ngati Kahungunu and Te Aitanga-a-Māhaki descent” with no mention of his rather obvious Ngati Cardiff connection), he snorted, “I don’t like dealing with you racists”.
John was angry at being called a racist for advocating racial equality. I’m too accustomed to this tactic now to get angry. I’m more interested in getting even. :-).
Heh heh heh good on you J.A. be aware redbeard truth does matter and will not be either prostituted nor pirated let alone diluted and mixed with propaganda.
Bad boys bad boys wotcha gonna dooooo well who cares really your time has come.
I was also at the meeting and here is my comment as posted on FB’s ‘The Constitiution Conversation….
“I attended the Maxim Institute one in Auckland.
Tai Ahu, a Treaty Lawyer spoke first. Personally, he showed clear Maori priviledge by speaking to the assembled for 2 minutes in a language I am sure 95% of those there never understood. To me that is rude and arrogant. He spoke for the inclussion of the Treaty in the constitution and wanting Pakeha to be a bigger part of the Treaty. In questions, he was asked if he wanted inclussion of Pakeha and European NZers, what about those who are NZers but are of Asian, Pacific Island, Middle eastern decent. He said no they shouldnt be included.
Sir Micheal Cullen, ex Politician and Treaty Negotiate, seemed more interested in possing questions and scenarios for the audiences responses. Also justifying/defending the make up of Constitution Review Panel and its supposed biase to Maori (15% of pop). He denied that half the money allocated to them was to be targeted to Maori. I was disappointed in him and felt he added no information.
David Round was excellent. Not scared to speak up and question. Offering his views and thoughts. Alas the shame is that when someone like him speaks up and questions anything to do with Treaty of Waitangi and Maori, they are automatically labelled a racist and put down.
He was clear that how can you include a Treaty in a Constitution when there are at least 2 contested versions? Questioning the ‘interpretations’ of the treaty intent as what was meant in 1840 is different than what it is being taken to mean now. Why do we need a constitution and his views on that. That the inclussion of Treaty principles in a constitution will be creating diversity and divison. Adding priviledge by one race and so the constitution could not be equal for all.
He spoke of how some Maori have 1:16; 1:32; 1:256 and people where ignoring their 15:16 or 31:32 and 255:256 heritage. That we are all immigrants to this land and what about those who were here before Maori but is being covered up?
Many will see his words as controversial and label him a racist but hearing him speak, he was clearly supportive of the retention of Maori culture and heritage as important to all NZ, acknowledgeing that their were wrongs on the Crowns side and settlements made. That where people can show they have be wronged against, compensation should be given but when someone is 1:256 Maori and 150+yrs later, one can hardly claim they have been wronged and seek payment.
That when Tai Ahu suggested other Non Maori/non Europeans shouldnt be part of the Treaty, even if they are 4th or 5th generation citizens, that is racism. Any Constitution should be for all New Zealanders and priviledge should not be written into it for one race or any race of people.
It was clear David Rounds comments where the most interesting, recieved support and people left considering what he had to say. Sorry but Ahu and Cullen really were disappointing.”
I agree about getting even, JA – but I also think that well – focussed anger has its place too. I am one of those who is heartily sick of racists calling my (our) views racists. And that does anger me.
There are now apparently 800 + meters of Waitangi Tribunal records.
Whilst I am not what you could call a fan of the process, I am wondering as to why some of records should be destroyed.
Below is info from the website and submissions close 26th April
Waitangi Tribunal Retention and Disposal Schedule 2pm Tuesday 19 March 2013
The Waitangi Tribunal is required under the Public Records Act 2005 to maintain a retention and disposal schedule for all business records. To facilitate this, the Tribunal has developed a draft appraisal report and schedule.
The retention and disposal identifies:
The high value archival records that require long-term preservation; and
The records of little archival value which should be destroyed once they are no longer required for ongoing business.
The Waitangi Tribunal is currently seeking feedback on the draft appraisal report and schedule. We are keen to hear your thoughts on the disposal and retention recommendations outlined in the draft appraisal report.
Your Feedback
The purpose of the retention and disposal consultation process is to allow those with an interest in the Waitangi Tribunal’s record to provide input into the disposal recommendations in the draft appraisal report and schedule. This schedule sets out the different classes of records held by the Tribunal, and sets out whether particular classes of records should either:
Be retained as public archives, and transferred to Archives NZ by the Tribunal after a set time period has passed; or
As they are not of archival value, be destroyed when all legal, financial and administrative requirements in relation to such records have been met.
We invite you to provide feedback on the draft appraisal report and schedule.
You can access the draft appraisal report here and the schedule here.
The Website also contains introductory information and FAQ’s to assist in your review and a feedback.
You can provide your feedback via:
· the dialogue box here
· sending an email to wt.librarian@justice.govt.nz; or
·
Feedback must be received no later than 4pm Friday 26 April 2013.
Source: http://www.waitangi-tribunal.govt.nz/news/media/waitangitribunalretentionanddisposalstrategy/default.asp
Always easy to play the race card when they’re against the wall, which is all the time. No answer then call them a racist to shut them down. We need Murial Newman on board too. JA, David Round and Murial Newman would be quite a force to be reconed with.
I think our cause is growing legs.
Muriel, not Murial
Hi Muriel
We’ll have to remember that. Thanks for popping in.
Oops…sorry!
Welcome Muriel! Maybe yourself & JA could have a cup of tea together and come up with a sort of plan so that us honest kiwis who are sick of treaty rorts can vote in the knowledge our votes will count and not be split/diluted by similar partys who basically want the same thing. I just finished reading your “Welcome To The Future” e.mail and it is too scary to contemplate. Anyway…..I’ll pay for the chocolate biscuits if you and John get the tea!
I don’t believe this Muriel is Muriel Newman.
… and I’ll make the scones.
I guess I am assuming that “Muriel” is Muriel Newman. Could be Willie avin a larf ??
Yes, and your original assumption could well be incorrect. You can log into these blogs and call yourself whatever you like, as we know from previous experience.
Any one interested in Ngai Tahu and its charities including Fairy springs and the Shot over Jet, check the charities register, this is after Paul Moon on with Willie saying settlements are great for the economy, hows that if no Iwi tribes pay tax JUST GST ,http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/PublicAnnualReturn?nocId=6f8ec2f6-66b8-e111-910d-00155d0d1916&charityRef=RAI16394&accountId=b7816b68-44f6-dc11-99cd-0015c5f3da29&nocRef=NGA32258AR003 CHECK THIS OUT