This from the Coastal Coalition some months ago (which I forgot to post):
The Coastal Coalition warned that the law change would open the floodgates for claims by opportunistic tribal corporations wanting to gain ownership and control of our coast.
This map from TV3 News in early May shows that this is now occurring with at least 21 coastal claims now lodged.
Claims include valuable whitebaiting areas with many tribes competing for the same coastal area.
Tribes have another 5 years to lodge claims.
The process allows claims to be settled in secret by the Minister so there may be many other claims in the pipeline that the public is unaware of.
As I say, this is old news.
Does anyone know what the map looks like now?
treatygate.wordpress.com 
Finlayson will be working his little butt off, settling these as quickly as possible. When people start being charged to go to the beach they might finally wake up.
It’s already happening in parts of the country as far as rivers and lakes are concerned.
I will try and find out what the map looks like now.
Where is that happening Helen? I’d be keen to know, thanks.
Well, one that I know for sure that we are all paying for is ‘continued public access to lake Taupo’.
New Zealanders are currently paying 1.5 million dollars a year to a Maori Trust so we can walk around the Lake if we want to.
Totally incorrect Trina. The tribe is tuwharetoa. My iwi.tell me how you are charged to walk round the lake?
Try getting on the island in the middle to place seismic measuring equipment to warn the people of Taupo against volcanic eruption.
Your tribe won’t allow it.
I seem to recall they also wouldn’t allow a submersible to explore vents on the lake floor. Can anyone confirm that?
From 2012/13 Vote papers found on the internet there is the following statement:
“a total of $1.500 million to Tūwharetoa Māori Trust Board to provide for continued public access to
Lake Taupo”
Click to access est12intaff.pdf
I recall seeing tv coverage of the submersible’s findings, so it looks like the dive went ahead. (The lakebed is still venting.) $1.5m per year eh? Not bad money for…um…what, exactly?
I see several stories on the ‘Stuff’ website covering Maori issues don’t have a ‘Comment’ ability. Too hot a potato huh? Or is it censorship? Having said that, in regard to the whitebaiter being spat at in the Ashley River; many comments supporting the whitebaiter came from Maoris who were (justifiably) horrified. Perhaps there’s hope after all….
Thanks Peter ….. yes it certainly is censorship. I tried to post a comment on “Stuff.co” in reply to a story on Maori issues which I offered a link to this website (John Ansell). It wasn’t posted. Nor have any further posts I have submitted to Stuff.co on ANY subject …… I am now on what appears to be a permanent “blacklist” due to my association with a “colourblind” non-race based democracy in NZ. This is an example of how “social engineers” have the ability to manipulate the media and social policy ….. any polls on Stuff.co are a complete farce.
Same thing happend(ing) to me Steve regarding ‘Stuff.co’. One relevant comment and reference back to this site (un-posted) then all subsequent comments snubbed! Fairfax lacklisting email adderesses?!? Seems like the elephant in the room never forgets!
That’s interesting Tim ….. just goes to show that what John is attempting to achieve really has “them” worried.
Lake Ellesmere is another one. Fishermen who have been fishing there for generations are now being charged.
I will find out more for you Peter.
Is this a Treaty settlement?
This is not a Treaty settlement, but a clarification of property rights provided in the 1992 deed and simplification of the payment by the Crown for use of the Lake for fishing and boating facilities under the Maori Trust Boards Act 1955.
Why was a new agreement required?
The new agreement simplifies and clarifies the position and interests of the Crown, TMTB and public, including clarifying the ownership interests of the structures and use rights, particularly the Crown’s ownership and management of the trout fishing and structures for boating and navigation and the way in which payment is to be made to the TMTB under the Maori Trust Boards Act 1955.
What are the key points in the deed?
The new deed clarifies the ownership of “Taupo Waters” which was agreed in the 1992 deed. Taupo waters includes the bed of, subsoil and space occupied by water in, and the airspace above Lake Taupo, including the Waikato river to Huka Falls and the tributaries that flow into Lake Taupo. Taupo Waters does not include the water itself.
The deed continues to provide that the people of New Zealand will have freedom of entry and access upon Taupo Waters for non-exclusive, non-commercial recreational use and enjoyment. It also provides that the Lake will be managed as if a recreation reserve, including the continuation of the Taupo-nui-a-Tia Management Board.
The deed acknowledges the agreement that the Crown continue to manage and own the trout fishery and structures it currently owns such as berthings, moorings and navigational aids. It also acknowledges the right of the Crown to control and legislate in respect of water including its use and quality, public safety, public health, navigation and recreation.
The deed also provides that commercial users of the Lake, such as commercial boat operators and fishing guides, will require a licence from the TMTB which also has the ability to charge fees, and new structures will require a licence or grant of occupation from the TMTB. This is similar to the Department of Conservation granting a concession for business owners to operate on public land.
What is the Crown’s payment for?
The Crown and the TMTB, as trustees on behalf of the Tuwharetoa iwi and hapu, have, since 1926, shared the revenues from activities such as fishing and boating facilities. Under the new deed, the Crown will pay a fixed amount for the use and occupation of the Lake, and for past and current annuity and other financial issues.
The Crown will pay $9.865 million (the final figure is subject to change depending on the date of settlement) as a lump sum payment and $1.5 million a year. The Crown will continue to own and manage the structures that it currently owns, such as berthings, moorings, marinas, jetties, boat ramps and navigation aids and rent to the Board for the space occupied is included within the $1.5 million annual payment.
If the Crown wishes to build a new structure, it will need consent from the Board which will be able to charge fees (unless the new structures are in the nature of public good facilities e.g. navigation aids).
What effect is there on recreational users of the lake, including fishing and boating?
There will be no change in the regime for private, non-commercial recreational users of the lake or for fishing and boating. The TMTB continue, as they have since 1926, to guarantee access to the public of New Zealand. Fishing will continue to be managed through the Department of Conservation and Boating through the Harbour Master and Department of Internal Affairs.
Will owners of private jetties, ramps and other structures be affected?
No. The deed clarifies that there are 91 privately owned jetties, ramps moorings and other structures on the Lake. The owners will not be required to pay fees to the TMTB for occupation of the Lake for these structures. However, any new structures or changes to existing structures may require a grant of occupation from the TMTB who may also charge a fee.
Does the deed recognise the role of Local Authorities?
Yes. The deed acknowledges the role of Local Authorities, particularly in relation to land use consents and water permits or discharge permits, and that Taupo Waters are subject to relevant enactments, including the Resource Management Act 1991
Money for jam if you ask me. I bet it wouldn’t cost the Crown that much to administer the lake. Another rort at the taxpayers’ expense.
Recognise:
That Lake Taupo and land owned by the tribe within the Lake Taupo catchment is a tribal taonga for Ngati Tuwharetoa, who is the owner of the Lake bed.
The role of Ngati Tuwharetoa as kaitiaki of the Lake and owners of the Lake Bed, and that, accordingly, groups and individuals within Ngati Tuwharetoa ought to be able to participate in decision making processes related to adverse effects on the environment which impinge on tangata whenua values.
That Ngati Tuwharetoa has a unique cultural and spiritual relationship with Lake Taupo and their ancestral lands within the catchment of Lake Taupo.
That historical factors have inhibited Ngati Tuwharetoa’s ability to develop their ancestral lands within the catchment of Lake Taupo.
That the nature of Ngati Tuwharetoa’s relationship with and the form of its tenure of the land in the catchment of Lake Taupo are such that members of the iwi are unlikely and in some cases legally unable voluntarily to relinquish their interest in that land and have comparatively less ability to transfer their interests to land outside the catchment than do landowners generally.
That the unique relationship described in matters (a) – (e) above mean that it is appropriate to enable Ngati Tuwharetoa to develop their currently undeveloped or forested lands in a manner and to an extent that has no long term adverse effect on the water quality of Lake Taupo.
To achieve Objectives 1, 2 and 3
Policy 2: Identification of Lake Taupo as an Outstanding Waterbody in the Waikato Region
Ensure that activities do not adversely affect the significant characteristics of Lake Taupo that make it an outstanding water body in the Waikato region:
New Zealand’s largest clear blue lake resulting from exceptional water quality (as defined by water quality characteristics) in that it, in most locations and most times, surpasses the New Zealand drinking water standards and is of higher quality than all Waikato Regional Council’s ecological health and recreation standards.
High level of natural character of the margins of the Lake and inflowing streams due to the extent of wilderness, surrounding landscape and geological features and lack of built environment around much of the Lake.
Status as tribal taonga for Ngati Tuwharetoa.
Internationally renowned trout fishery.
Ability to support a wide range of indigenous fauna and flora.
Commercial opportunities based on the Lake’s natural features and values, which provide local and national economic benefit.
To achieve Objectives 1, 2 and 4
How much would you charge Helen to have say just a thousand visitors a year tramping round your property? Only a thousand, which is no where near the numbers tramping round our property. We have roads not public roads but roads that require public access that need fixing up all the time. Whanganui Bay is a mecca for rockclimbers, to get down there is a canyon road which is continually being fixed and repaired so the rockclimbers can get down – if we stop upgrading the road then the public access is stopped, how would that go down? Money for jam – tell me , how much could the govt do it for? You obviously are a financial wizard so please trot out the figures.
And also remember that when you hop out of your car and trot round the lake, or set up your camping sites – you are doing it on our property. You dont get accosted by some big maori charging you to swim there. Your access is paid by the Crown, (yes by you as the taxpayer) but its not like your access is impeded in anyway – as per the above “stories”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/2003175/Tribe-sets-lakebed-fishing-levy
There we go Helen, save you looking. Commercial fishers –
Mr Solomon said DOC supported the permit system and appreciated that money raised would go directly to lake projects, including riparian planting, lake monitoring, research projects and enhancement of the fishery.
And again its not the general public being accosted by some big Maori guy and being asked to hand over a couple of bucks for access to have your picnic.
Would you openly oppose it, Anakereiti, if your livelihood depended on it? I certainly wouldn’t. I can imagine what they say in private though.
I don’t know of anyone who isn’t fed to the back teeth with things ‘Maori’ and many are now starting to sit up and do something about it. Like me. Previously they felt helpless in view of successive shonky Governments giving away everything they had worked so hard for but it’s now time for the people to take back democracy seeing we can’t rely on the people who govern us.
It’s started and I personally won’t rest until we all function together as one under the law.
Anakereiti you keep saying the Crown this and the Crown that. Please remember that anything the Crown pays for has to first collect the money from the taxpayer.
Also, because I have a house in Hamilton, I have to pay Enviroment Waikato rates. A large portion of which go to looking after Lake Taupo.
So we may not have to pay at some gate when we visit Lake Taupo, but we still have to pay.
Yes I think you will find the bulk of the Environment Waikato rates cover the nitrogen issue and discharges and the care of the actual water etc. Sorry that you feel having to pay to ensure the Lake and its environment are kept up to a standard to ensure continued public access is an issue. I feel that paying to tramp through my front yard is not a hardship. Would you feel better if we let the roads and access degrade to a point that you are unable to visit our land safely?
Hang on Helen, they want to fish it, they just dont want to pay for its upkeep? Is that the problem?
Your access is paid by the Crown, (yes by you as the taxpayer) but its not like your access is impeded in anyway – as per the above “stories”
You must have missed this comment I made above, Brenda.
They’ve fished it for a very long time without any problems at all as far as the Lake is concerned. So what has changed with the lake apart from now having to pay?
They actually pay twice now to the same racial group – as taxpayers and as commercial fishermen. I don’t actually have a problem with commercial people having to pay something – it’s the racism of the whole thing I object to. The taxpayer paying one racial group. These places should be managed by the Crown – which is all of us.
And thats your idea of conserving the fisheries Helen, – it was ok before so it should be ok now? And for the future?
What I object to Anakereiti is any of our waterways being given to one racial group.
There is nothing in the Treaty to say this. If there is I would be grateful if you would point it out to me.
If the Government suddenly decides fishermen are going to pay, to enable lakes and waterways to be kept clean or whatever, then everyone should have to pay, and the money wouldn’t go into the coffers of one group.
All this nonsense will eventually be proven to be the great big greedy fraud it most definitely is.
Then we can all be ONE. My aim in life!!