Radio Live

Talking Treaty on Radio Live on Waitangi Day

I’ve been invited to appear twice on Radio Live tomorrow, first at 8.10am during the breakfast show, then later with Colin Espiner (not sure when).

The producer didn’t say what they wanted me to talk about, just that “it’s always good to get your perspective”.

In that case, I’ll attempt to clarify two things:


If anything, the Treaty of Wellington helped turn New Zealanders into Aussies.

Yes really.

Remember, Captain Hobson was Lieutenant-Governor of New South Wales, under Governor Gipps. After Hobson had collected the signatures of the 512 chiefs, his boss declared that the borders of NSW were now extended to include New Zealand.

So what was New Zealand’s founding document?

This one…

Queen Victoria's Royal Charter 16 Nov 1840 1
Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter of November 16, 1840

This long-ignored and much more official-looking proclamation — which made New Zealand a separate colony of Great Britain, independent of New South Wales — is Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter of November 16, 1840.

Some, notably Ross Baker of the One New Zealand Foundation, argue that this date should be our national day — New Zealand’s Independence Day.

(And certainly, many would argue it’s much more important to be independent of our Brother Country than the Mother Country!)

So what was the Treaty of Waitangi?

It was a preliminary facilitating agreement by which the Maori chiefs signed over control of the country to the Queen. (Otherwise known as ‘ceding sovereignty’.)

And in return for this major concession, all the Maori people — not just the chiefs — received a great prize: equal membership of the greatest empire on earth, and the empire’s protection of their people and property.

Note: “their property” meant just that. Their things. The land they lived on. The land they grew crops on. The waters they fished on.

It did not mean the entire island on which they happened to occupy one small corner.

It did not mean they could expect to keep their land after breaching the Treaty by trying to exterminate the British they had formerly welcomed.

It did not include discoveries made by Europeans many decades later, like the electromagnetic spectrum.

The Maori word for what they got to retain was taonga, which chief Hongi Hika  defined for the dictionary current in 1840 as “property procured by the spear”.

It is hard to spear a radio wave, or a language.


Today’s much-vaunted ‘Treaty principles’ are nowhere to be found in the Treaty of Waitangi 1840.

They come from a hastily-prepared press release which should rightly be called the Treaty of Wellington 1989, since that was the year Geoffrey Palmer conjured the principles up out of thin air.

The Treaty of Waitangi contains one overarching principle: equal citizenship for all New Zealanders.


Radio Live

On Radio Live with Duncan Garner at 3.10pm

Duncan wants to talk to me about Race Relations Day and Dame Susan Devoy’s appointment as Race Relations Commissioner.

I don’t really know Dame Susan’s track record in this area, only that she comes from Rotorua and played superb squash against people from many different cultures.

And I’d rather the job went to Dame Susan Devoy than Dame Claudia Orange or Dame Anne Salmond. 🙂

John Tamihere, Radio Live, Willie Jackson

Maybe Willie and JT aren’t so chicken after all: Hear us on Radio Live, Wednesday 20 February, 1.00 – 2.00pm

Once on Close Up in 2011 — after calling me a racist who told lies — Willie Jackson told me I was the kind of straight-shooter he’d like to have on his and John Tamihere’s radio show.

I didn’t hear any more about it.

Then last Tuesday, I introduced myself to Willie at Waitangi. He was surprisingly friendly.

I teased him with, “How can you call me a mongrel (another of his and JT’s pet on-air names for me) when you’re a Maori called Jackson?”

We had a good-natured chat where we both agreed with each other 100%… that each other was a racist.

Waitangi 2013 - JA & Willie Jackson

At Waitangi with my new mate Willie Jackson.
We agreed with each other 100% that each other was a racist.

He again said he’d invite me on his show.

Then the next day, Waitangi Day, I rang the show to correct a flagrantly one-sided account by Tamihere of the execution of captured Maori fighters after the Siege of Ngatapa.

(JT had somehow forgotten to mention that the executioner was a loyalist Maori soldier exacting personal utu — in defiance of British policy. He went unpunished, but so did Te Rauparaha and Te Rangihaeata after the execution of captured settlers in the  Wairau Massacre of 1843.)

Somewhere in the middle of our shouting match, Willie again said they’d invite me to be a guest on the show.

So I was a bit disappointed to be told on Wednesday that Willie had said on air that JT and their producer had vetoed the idea.

That’s when I started preparing a post with the above pair of timorous yellow tap-dancing chickens, which I was going to label Tamihere and Jackson.

That’s also when (unbeknown t0 me) Treatygate supporter Kevin Campbell decided to tackle Willie via the Radio Live website…



From: Kevin Campbell
To: Willie Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 2:42 p.m.


You won’t have John Ansell on because he will tell the truth, and we can’t have that.

You say he has a distorted or one-sided view of history? Compared to whose? Yours?

Get real, there is only one history and it doesn’t line up with the Waitangi Tribunal version that pays out on treaty claims.

Soon there will be nowhere to hide because the truth will always out.




From: Willie Jackson
To: Kevin Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 2:43 p.m.




From: Kevin Campbell
To: Willie Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 2:45 p.m.

He is happy to line up and challenge you. What are you or your management scared of?


The Maoris I know would man up.



From: Willie Jackson
To: Kevin Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 2:54 p.m.

He hid behind his racist Bill Boards and his National Funders and the ACT Party rats … Think about it



From: Kevin Campbell
To: Willie Jackson
Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013, 9:55 a.m.


John Ansell is simply a proponent of one law for all in NZ, as I am.

Anything else is separatism.

Ansell is simply pointing out that Te Tiriti O Waitangi was created to deliver equality.

And no, not everything went smooth for some tribes.

But in 99% of cases they certainly asked for land confiscation and consequences.

The treaty was to protect the rights of Maori as well as non-Maori, remember?

Based on previous polls taken since 1995, I think you are in the 20% (a very generous estimation) of Kiwis who support Maori sovereignty and a continuation of the Waitangi Tribunal scam.

Any dream of sovereignty or a separate set of rights for Maori was ceded forever on 6 February 1840.

There were 200 chiefs who also ratified that position again at Kohimarama twenty years later.

It is only because of gutless politicians, noisy activists and lack of investigative journalism that the ugly creep of separatism has got to where it is in NZ today.

All people such as John Ansell ask is that you, JT and Radio Live management play with a straight bat on behalf of the 80% plus Kiwis who want a united NZ.



If Kevin’s efforts hadn’t been successful, my next move would have been to rally the troops for an all-out assault on the phone lines to protest the about-face.

But this proved unnecessary.

At 2.00pm yesterday, Radio Live producer Mary Putnam rang me with the news that Willie and JT now wanted me on their show next Wednesday from 1.00 – 2.00pm.

A friend heard Willie say on air that he’d met me at Waitangi and “he seemed like a reasonable sort of a bloke — why shouldn’t we have him on and listen to what he has to say?”

I don’t know if that was the whole story. Tamihere wasn’t on the programme yesterday, so maybe the decision was taken without him.

But I was happy to accept, and I’m looking forward to it.

(Of course, two on to one is hardly fair. They may need to bring in reinforcements.)

Dover Samuels, John Tamihere, Radio Live, Willie Jackson

Radio Live, Waitangi Day: chat with Chapman, scrap with Willie and JT

Thanks to Mr News, Vinny Eastwood of Guerilla Media, for making You Tubes of my two radio appearances yesterday — and one of listener comments below.

Radio Live listeners should now be aware that the pushback has started.

Willie and JT are clearly not used to being confronted with facts.

JT at least had the good grace to concede later that some of my facts were correct, and Willie told me I wasn’t a bad bloke after I introduced myself to him at Waitangi.

Good to know we can hold diametrically opposed views but still maintain respect.

I thought callers Kevin, Jean and David supported me exceptionally well, against the usual fare of put-downs and hang-ups by the infamous one-eyed tag team.

I was especially disappointed in the irrational behaviour of guest Dover Samuels in telling caller David that he must be from another planet if he thought New Zealanders should be equal.

Both Jean and David have since contacted me, and it turns out both had plucked up the courage to phone talkback for the first time yesterday. Good on them for going head to head with the bully boys and winning hands down!

I hope you’ll consider doing the same, because the bullies need to get the message that, in the words of the movie Network, “We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it any more!”

Dover Samuels, John Tamihere, Radio Live, Willy Jackson

Providing pushback to Willy and JT

I’ve just finished listening to Radio Live’s Waitangi broadcast with Willy Jackson and John Tamihere.

JT gave a typically one-sided account of the execution of over 100 surrendered Maori soldiers after the Siege of Ngatapa in Poverty Bay.

I couldn’t let that stand, so phoned in to advise listeners that the officer who ordered those executions was the Maori loyalist Ropata Wahawaha.

He did so in defiance of his British commanders, to avenge his earlier ill-treatment by the rebel tribe.

Execution of surrendered prisoners was not the British way. But it was the Maori way.

I asked Tamihere why he did not say the executioner was Maori, or talk about the shooting in the back of 11 surrendered settlers by Te Rauparaha and Te Rangihaeata in the Wairau Massacre (now minimised to the Wairau Affray) in 1843.

I asked him why we were paying the descendants of Te Rauparaha $10 million (as part of a much larger settlement) for the loss of their ‘marine empire’ — meaning the right to paddle their canoes across Cook Strait and butcher and eat Ngai Tahu.

I unloaded the literally gut-wrenching report from the Battle of Kaiapoi that Te Rauparaha slit open the belly of a live pregnant woman, ripped out the embryo, and roasted it on a stick.

As far as I know, there’s no Pol Pot Ping Pong Palace in Phnom Penh or Adolf Hitler Memorial Synagogue in Poland.

And yet despite this, and many other acts of cruelty by New Zealand’s most vile cannibalism, we do have a Te Rauparaha Arena in Porirua.

Talking of atrocities in Poverty Bay, I asked Willy and JT why we were paying off the descendants of Te Kooti for the loss of his reputation, when his soldiers’ deeds included tossing the three little Lavin children in the air and impaling them on bayonets.

I don’t think Willy and JT are used to hard facts being marshalled against their one-eyed indoctrination programme. Nonetheless, Willy told me that they’re going to invite me on as a guest.

If they do, they can expect a lot more facts where those came from.

Callers Kevin and David clearly supported my stance, one guy said they gave me too much time, and Jean gave a plug to this blog, for which crime she was immediately cut off.

David got into an argument with Dover Samuels for outlining my call for a New Zealand where all citizens have the same rights, live under the same law, vote on the one roll, and have their taxes spent to help people according to need, not race.

Samuels said: “Anyone saying we should all be equal must be living on another planet.”

Planet Democracy, perhaps?